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Reply #30 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 10:59am
 
Unforgiven wrote on Jul 27th, 2015 at 10:48am:
red baron wrote on Jul 27th, 2015 at 9:16am:
You don't have to worry about the Police Selection process Unforgiven, you wouldn't get through the front door of the recruiting office.


I know. They don't accept people with high IQ's and a good psychological profile.

They want psychotics, boneheads and sickos.


Actually they've altered a lot to actually seek out people with a bit more nous......... a few still sneak through though, or simply become burnouts and get shipped off to a 'rest camp' in the country where they wreak havoc on unsuspecting locals...

They're gradually weeding out the total psychopaths that used to reign in some parts.... the one with the staring eyes and oozing hatred, but you still get 'em.... often late at night in a highway patrol car and startled awake and just grab 62 year old grandmothers who don't drink on their way home, accuse them of raging speeds, possible drinking, and trying to evade the idiot by turning into her own street.

I was right there in the passenger seat for that one:-

"You tried to evade me!"

"Had no idea you were there!"

"Well, you were doing 119 up that hill on a bend and getting ready to do a 90 degree turn!"

"But I drive slower at night in case of wildlife!"

"Here's your ticket!"

Sound familiar to anyone?  Must have woken him up.. he had the staring eyes of a speed freak or just another burnout case.... they shouldn't be allowed near the public who always have to carry it for them.
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Reply #31 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 10:59pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 10:20am:
Well I haven't read it & I'm interested in politics & especially history. It's about 800 pages isn't it . . .no thanks


Have a read of a few chapters if it's too long. Read the one called "Nation and Race". It sums up mostly what he was trying to achieve.
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Reply #32 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 11:51pm
 
Ein Reich!  Ein Volkswagen!  Ein Fuhrer!!!  ... and Ein mein shirts... please..... pretty please???
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Reply #33 - Jul 30th, 2015 at 1:40am
 
Mein Kampf is just a bunch of incoherent ramblings and poorly written rants filled with fallacies and crazed racism and xenophobia, it's a poo read and is only worth while to show how much of an insane nutjob Hitler was.

If you want something far more interesting and well written, read Stalin. Despite Stalin being a horrific monster, the idea that he was a stupid brute couldn't be further from the truth (and largely shows the classist attitude of politicians of the era) and largely shows that while Stalin was very well versed in philosophy and political science.

I would recommend reading the debate between H.G. Wells and Stalin, it's very interesting and it's amazing how Stalin has H.G. Wells on the backfoot for basically all of it.

The difference in writing between Hitler and Stalin really shows, Hitler is completely psychotic, while Stalin was a brutal pragmatist and had no moral issues carrying out his repression because he justified it through pragmatism.

There is an attempt these days to paint Stalin as a complete psychopath, but I don't think this is true at all, I honestly don't think Stalin was mentally ill at all, I think he knew exactly what he was doing and he justified it through basic material reasoning. As John Gunther wrote of Stalin of all the tinpot dictators of the 20th century, Stalin was the only one that came off as a completely sane normal human being. (though I've read that Stalin's "Humps and Valleys" in his actions and his several documented cases of debilitating depression  may be an indicator of Bipolar which also explains his paranoia and his fear of those that he considered his best friends like Lenin and Bukharin)

No wonder Stalin won WW2 despite starting from a vastly inferior position.

freediver wrote on Jul 26th, 2015 at 5:52pm:
It makes you wonder what Hitler would have become had he succeeded in establishing his thousand year Reich


Impossible, the Third Reich was based on way too much social and class contradiction in it's set up and the Nazi economy was based entirely around war and expansion and had nothing else going for it. Nazi Germany was always doomed to failure.
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Reply #34 - Jul 30th, 2015 at 4:32am
 
"I think he knew exactly what he was doing and he justified it through basic material reasoning"..

Sounds like a sociopath to me..... the ability to justify the unjustifiable in a superficially rational manner is now sanity?

OK......
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Reply #35 - Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:28pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 4:32am:
Sounds like a sociopath to me..... the ability to justify the unjustifiable in a superficially rational manner is now sanity?


No he wasn't a Sociopath, there is more to Sociopathy and Psychopathy than a warped moral compass, they are both mental illnesses with other symptoms that don't show up in Stalin.

Also unjustifiable to you, totally justifiable to Stalin with not even that much of a stretch. Stalin (Rightfully) saw the USSR's existence numbered if he didn't industrialize and build up military forces and industry to support it quickly after the Civil War (not even so much a civil war but international intervention) he knew they would be ready to strike again and he also knew Germany would try to invade in the near future. He did what he needed to make Russia a strong, modern country that could defend itself and fight off threats, his purges got rid of the Communist opposition that actually gave a bugger about the conditions of the working class and working towards an egalitarian society, they would just get in the way of the brutal industrialization.

In Stalin's eyes, he killed several hundred thousand people (or a few million based on what numbers you choose to follow) to save the lives of 200 million and drag Russia out of a feudal backwater into a global superpower with arguably high standard of living and this was further justified with his predictions about Germany and Imperialist powers, with over 20 million Soviet civilians killed by Nazi Germany.

This is why I consider Stalin a monster, but I don't consider him an idiotic, delirious nutter like Hitler.
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Reply #36 - Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:59pm
 
Kiron22, reading your post on Stalin, it reminded me of someone in Australia who is the biggest pragmatist I can remember...let me think..oh yes...Bill Shorten. Roll Eyes
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Reply #37 - Jul 30th, 2015 at 8:51pm
 
Kiron22 wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:28pm:
In Stalin's eyes, he killed several hundred thousand people (or a few million based on what numbers you choose to follow) to save the lives of 200 million and drag Russia out of a feudal backwater into a global superpower with arguably high standard of living and this was further justified with his predictions about Germany and Imperialist powers, with over 20 million Soviet civilians killed by Nazi Germany.

This is why I consider Stalin a monster, but I don't consider him an idiotic, delirious nutter like Hitler.


Hitler's reasoning was no different. One of his arguments was that he had to kill millions to save millions and to heighten the standard of living for Germans.

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Reply #38 - Jul 30th, 2015 at 8:58pm
 
Kiron22 wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 1:40am:
I would recommend reading the debate between H.G. Wells and Stalin, it's very interesting and it's amazing how Stalin has H.G. Wells on the backfoot for basically all of it.


Do you have a link?

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Impossible, the Third Reich was based on way too much social and class contradiction in it's set up and the Nazi economy was based entirely around war and expansion and had nothing else going for it. Nazi Germany was always doomed to failure.



"Class contradiction". Pffft. One idea behind the Third Reich was to put the interests of Germany first so workers and businesses worked for the same interests. This idea still exists today among nationalists of all stripes.

The failure of socialism to nationalism is around us for all to see. No one, except a few radicals, goes overseas to fight for class interests. But millions will fight for national interests.
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