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Baronvonrort

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Re: Treatment of our soldiers
Reply #45 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 3:15pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 9:34pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 8:48pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 8:35pm:

I'm frankly astonished that there doesn't seem to be any noise about this - especially from the right.

I am not from the left or right I am centrist.

PTSD is a new age disorder like ADHD.
Back in WW1 none of the returning soldiers had PTSD it hadn't been invented.

Did this guy look like he had PTSD when he returned?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Jacka

You've got to be joking.

Ever heard of shellshock? Thats what they used to call PTSD.

I'd love to dump you in a warzone Baron, see how well you cope.

Studies show this PTSD is more common with women and people from urban areas.

The same people who invented ADHD and PTSD also used electric shock therapy to treat mental patients.

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Re: Treatment of our soldiers
Reply #46 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 4:34pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 3:15pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 9:34pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 8:48pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 8:35pm:

I'm frankly astonished that there doesn't seem to be any noise about this - especially from the right.

I am not from the left or right I am centrist.

PTSD is a new age disorder like ADHD.
Back in WW1 none of the returning soldiers had PTSD it hadn't been invented.

Did this guy look like he had PTSD when he returned?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Jacka

You've got to be joking.

Ever heard of shellshock? Thats what they used to call PTSD.

I'd love to dump you in a warzone Baron, see how well you cope.

Studies show this PTSD is more common with women and people from urban areas.

The same people who invented ADHD and PTSD also used electric shock therapy to treat mental patients.

Shell shock or PTSD......same, same. The horrors of war.

Soldiers with shell shock showed a wide variety of symptoms, ranging from deafness, bizarre gaits, violent shaking and paralyses to anxiety, depression, transient psychoses (with hallucinations and delusions) and flashbacks and nightmares which are classic displays of PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder).

http://theconversation.com/world-war-i-records-reveal-myths-and-realities-of-sol...

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Re: Treatment of our soldiers
Reply #47 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 4:57pm

Unforgiven wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 5:02pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 4:33pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 1:29pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 1:06pm:

Not in my experience, they didn't....

Yep!.....in my experience Second World War, they turned to booze and bashing. Vietnam.....many, many, many had/have mental health issues caused by alcohol and drugs.

Iraq and Afghanistan....same, same, maybe even worse. They come back quite mad.......it's not their fault.

There's enough documentation.

Well none of the WW2 vets I knew did, and none of their friends knew of anyone who did either.

Gizmo is off half-cocked again.

Would they confess to Gizmo? I think not.

What are those numbers Gizmo seeing about 99.9% of WW2 veterans are dead.

Gizmo's research method? Seance?

Nope, sorry 'Laugh-til-you-are-spastic', but I base that on the fact that my Father, 3 of my Uncles, 2 of Aunts and an entire Battalions worth of 'courtesy' uncles (100+ WW2 veterans) did NOT show any 'drunken' or 'sober' domestic violence towards their family...
Therefore, despite the somewhat standard idea that "ALL soldiers are violent drunken psychopaths", I'm going to say that the idea is total BULLSHIT, invented by complete morons (like YOU and Pansi)...

OK??

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Baronvonrort

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Re: Treatment of our soldiers
Reply #48 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 5:02pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 4:34pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 3:15pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 9:34pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 8:48pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 8:35pm:

I'm frankly astonished that there doesn't seem to be any noise about this - especially from the right.

I am not from the left or right I am centrist.

PTSD is a new age disorder like ADHD.
Back in WW1 none of the returning soldiers had PTSD it hadn't been invented.

Did this guy look like he had PTSD when he returned?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Jacka

You've got to be joking.

Ever heard of shellshock? Thats what they used to call PTSD.

I'd love to dump you in a warzone Baron, see how well you cope.

Studies show this PTSD is more common with women and people from urban areas.

The same people who invented ADHD and PTSD also used electric shock therapy to treat mental patients.

Shell shock or PTSD......same, same. The horrors of war.

PTSD is a new age condition,it gets lots of funding perhaps that could be why this industry is growing.

Quote:

As many as 800,000 Australians will suffer from PTSD at any given time,making it the second most common mental health disorder

The Australian Centre for Post Traumatic Mental health estimates that up to 10 per cent of people will suffer from PTSD at some point in their lives.
abc.net.au/news/2013-08-27/ptsd-depression-mental-illness/4915164

Studies show this PTSD only affects 8% of the population,mostly women and people in urban areas

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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Treatment of our soldiers Reply #49 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 5:21pm Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 5:02pm: PTSD is a new age condition It's an age old condition with a new name.
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Lionel Edriess

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Re: Treatment of our soldiers
Reply #50 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 5:49pm

Unforgiven wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 10:16am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 11:45pm:

Amadd wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 11:35pm:

It must be a terrible thing to return from what most would consider the ultimate sacrifice for your country only to be shunned.
Even more difficult when people back home have differing opinions on our involvement in overseas wars.

PTSD is a normal person's reaction to extremely abnormal events..... I've always held the theory that rejection of the sufferer and inability to fit back in were the main propellants of this disorder into eventual chaos for the individual.

They arrive home in one piece and are relieved that they have done so.... they want a decent life... then the war starts.......

Do you know a single un-divorced grunt? I don't....

Perhaps PTSD has its roots in repressed homosexuality?

How is it possible that your trolling, inflammatory, cretinous commentary is still allowed on this forum?

I would like to send you to a regional get-together of the VVMC, or a personal meeting with either Les Hiddens or Keith Payne, and invite you to repeat that remark.

The results could be quite interesting.

At the very least, it would probably instruct you in the virtue of quietude. T'would appear that even when you attempt to raise your voice, the result is flaccid.

Just sayin'.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Treatment of our soldiers Reply #51 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 6:46pm Lionel, it seems your sentiments would be better directed at Baron. He believes PTSD is all made up. He thinks vets should just harden the bugger up and just be "proper" heroes like Albert Jacka
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Re: Treatment of our soldiers
Reply #52 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 7:16pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 3:15pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 9:34pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 8:48pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 8:35pm:

I'm frankly astonished that there doesn't seem to be any noise about this - especially from the right.

I am not from the left or right I am centrist.

PTSD is a new age disorder like ADHD.
Back in WW1 none of the returning soldiers had PTSD it hadn't been invented.

Did this guy look like he had PTSD when he returned?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Jacka

You've got to be joking.

Ever heard of shellshock? Thats what they used to call PTSD.

I'd love to dump you in a warzone Baron, see how well you cope.

Studies show this PTSD is more common with women and people from urban areas.

The same people who invented ADHD and PTSD also used electric shock therapy to treat mental patients.

I can see the merits of EST for some.....

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Lionel Edriess

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Re: Treatment of our soldiers
Reply #53 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 7:24pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 6:46pm:

Lionel, it seems your sentiments would be better directed at Baron. He believes PTSD is all made up. He thinks vets should just harden the bugger up and just be "proper" heroes like Albert Jacka

Thank you for the heads up!

He should also get an invitation.

Nothing like a little 'cultural immersion' to clear the sinuses!

Cool

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Re: Treatment of our soldiers
Reply #54 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 7:47pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 4:57pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 5:02pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 4:33pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 1:29pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 1:06pm:

Not in my experience, they didn't....

Yep!.....in my experience Second World War, they turned to booze and bashing. Vietnam.....many, many, many had/have mental health issues caused by alcohol and drugs.

Iraq and Afghanistan....same, same, maybe even worse. They come back quite mad.......it's not their fault.

There's enough documentation.

Well none of the WW2 vets I knew did, and none of their friends knew of anyone who did either.

Gizmo is off half-cocked again.

Would they confess to Gizmo? I think not.

What are those numbers Gizmo seeing about 99.9% of WW2 veterans are dead.

Gizmo's research method? Seance?

Nope, sorry 'Laugh-til-you-are-spastic', but I base that on the fact that my Father, 3 of my Uncles, 2 of Aunts and an entire Battalions worth of 'courtesy' uncles (100+ WW2 veterans) did NOT show any 'drunken' or 'sober' domestic violence towards their family...
Therefore, despite the somewhat standard idea that "ALL soldiers are violent drunken psychopaths", I'm going to say that the idea is total BULLSHIT, invented by complete nice people (like YOU and Pansi)...

OK??

If Gizmo's 100+ 'courtesy uncles' were real I won't infuriate Gizmo by implying a behavioral meaning to that.

Perhaps Gizmo has as many 'courtesy uncles' as he has invisible friends. PTSD may be communicable.

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