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Reply #30 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:46pm

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:27pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:23pm:

The following is a description of what cult is:

1. A cult is a religious group with extreme beliefs and practices - beliefs that are often contrary to science and logic but they are believed as "obvious" truth by the cult members.
2. The members of cults often isolate themselves from friends, family and society and use deceptive and unethical recruiting techniques
3. Use manipulative methods to control the minds of followers
4. Venerate a human leader or leaders
5. Recruiting work is performed by all of the members
6. People are not allowed to criticize the leader, the doctrine, or the organization, or read information that is critical of the cult.
7. Members are trained to reject and disbelieve criticism of the cult as lies from Satan.
8. Members spy on one another and report improper activities or comments to leaders.
9. Members are taught to suppress anything which might reflect negatively to outsiders about the cult.
10. The doctrine is absolutist and the ideology is internalized as "the Truth."
11. Members are told to avoid contact with ex-members or critics, even their relatives.
12. Members are instilled with a deep fear about ever leaving the organization, and anyone who does depart is of the devil and sometimes severely punished.
13. Members are emotional controlled and warned of being caught and punished.
14. Disciplinary action is administered by group leaders, which may involve excommunication for such things as questioning organization policy or doctrine.
15. People are encouraged to sacrifice education, career and family interests to server the interests of the cult.
16. Advocate socializing only with other members in the organization and avoiding outsiders.
17. The belief in apocalypse and Dooms Day.

please delete. i proposed and you accepted the use of sprints earlier definition. thanks though!

this is another

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Reply #32 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:53pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:45pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:40pm:

the stated number 150000 is an approximation derived from the total number of homocides 168000, and the proportion of population self identifying as christian(86%). (Use wiki or ameristat they correlate)

I may be off be 10 thou or so but given the fact that america has a population one sixth of the arab world and still manages to kill 8 times as many people as all the extremists combined, quantifiably americans are more dangerous than arabs.

please feel free to check the stats before replying, i welcome correction. its a path to learning.

this is one reason I don't bother to answer pho

saw from his first posting he did not warrant answering

thanks for the clarification sprint

i had just assumed you didn't understand......... easy mistake to make i guess Roll Eyes

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Reply #33 - Aug 5^th, 2015 at 12:01am

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:40pm:

the stated number 150000 is an approximation derived from the total number of homocides 168000, and the proportion of population self identifying as christian(86%). (Use wiki or ameristat they correlate)

I may be off be 10 thou or so but given the fact that america has a population one sixth of the arab world and still manages to kill 8 times as many people as all the extremists combined, quantifiably americans are more dangerous than arabs.

please feel free to check the stats before replying, i welcome correction. its a path to learning.

Since by definition a Christian follows the teachings of Christ and he teaches not to kill but rather love instead. I would say your murderers are not Christians at all. Just a wild guess of course. Anyone can identify as a Christian or muslim and still not be one.

Now if they were muslims as in the arab world sure. The quran encourages it. So I doubt very much that any real Christians were in your stats since they wouldn't clearly be Christians in the first place according to what a Christian actually is.

Secondly I found no stats relating it to religion. Here are some stats for you I am sure you will find interesting on islam alone since you are interested in the bigger killing machine.

More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

More civilians were killed by Muslim hijackers in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland.
http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/violence/death95w.htm

Muslim fundamentalists kill more people everyday than were killed during the entire Salem Witch Trials.
http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions-united-states-1608-1976-state

Islamic terrorists murder more people everyday than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 70 years.
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/shipp/lynchingyear.html

Islamic extremists massacred more Iraqis on a single day in June, 2014 than the number of American criminals executed in the last 40 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Speicher_massacre
http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions-united-states-1608-1976-state

Sunni supremacists slaughtered more Yazidi minorities on August 14, 2014 than the number of black Americans lynched by White supremacists in the previous 100 years.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/isis-massacred-796-yazidis-while-ob...
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/shipp/lynchingyear.html

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There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin

Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.

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Reply #34 - Aug 5^th, 2015 at 12:07am

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:43pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:32pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:27pm:

please delete. i proposed and you accepted the use of sprints earlier definition. thanks though!

No. Other definitions of cults are still relevant for observation just to see if they too class islam as a cult. The more the merrier.

If you cannot stick to one definition for more than 5 posts, after agreeing to use it as the default definition, can i question your grasp on the art of debate?

I did. I just compared another along side it. Did that scare you ?
I agree the Pink Lady Apple tastes the best. Doesn't stop me comparing others that make it even more beautiful. On that premise it is clear your grasp on art and its application to debate is non existent.

Never the less it is clear Islam is a cult.

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There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin

Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.

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Reply #35 - Aug 5^th, 2015 at 12:28am

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 12:07am:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:43pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:32pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:27pm:

please delete. i proposed and you accepted the use of sprints earlier definition. thanks though!

No. Other definitions of cults are still relevant for observation just to see if they too class islam as a cult. The more the merrier.

If you cannot stick to one definition for more than 5 posts, after agreeing to use it as the default definition, can i question your grasp on the art of debate?

I did. I just compared another along side it. Did that scare you ?
I agree the Pink Lady Apple tastes the best. Doesn't stop me comparing others that make it even more beautiful. On that premise it is clear your grasp on art and its application to debate is non existent.

Never the less it is clear Islam is a cult.

maybe next time compare definitions prior to agreeing to a definitive definition. not after. helps avoid confusion.
so for clarification, can you decide on one of the two definitions as a definitive definition for future reference, please?

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Reply #36 - Aug 5^th, 2015 at 12:30am

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:40pm:

the stated number 150000 is an approximation derived from the total number of homocides 168000, and the proportion of population self identifying as christian(86%). (Use wiki or ameristat they correlate)

I may be off be 10 thou or so but given the fact that america has a population one sixth of the arab world and still manages to kill 8 times as many people as all the extremists combined, quantifiably americans are more dangerous than arabs.

please feel free to check the stats before replying, i welcome correction. its a path to learning.

pho,

I prefer referring to these 'statistics'.

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THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

pho,

QUESTION;

If your stats [of all of those homicides being committed within predominantly Christian nations] are relevant, where is the corresponding WWW site, to this one....

THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

The WWW site, which catalogues all of the atrocities committed by Christians, DAILY ???

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Reply #37 - Aug 5^th, 2015 at 12:36am

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:50pm:

having two separate definitions is the definition of idiocy.

Observer #1, "ISLAM is peace!"

Observer #2, "No, no, ISLAM is is a death cult!"

IMO, there are a lot of idiots abroad in the world.

Truth needs no caretaker, of it.

Truth is robust.

And what is true, always becomes apparent.

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Reply #38 - Aug 5^th, 2015 at 12:38am

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 12:28am:

maybe next time compare definitions prior to agreeing to a definitive definition. not after. helps avoid confusion.
so for clarification, can you decide on one of the two definitions as a definitive definition for future reference, please?

You seem a bit slow. A definitive one was agreed to it never changed. Another one was posted and low and behold islam still came out a cult too wow that's our definitive one and another one. I wonder how many others out there determine islam to be a cult as well.

You sure your not a really a muslim getting all upset inside like hot breath does with his new id dev null ?

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There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin

Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.

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Reply #39 - Aug 5^th, 2015 at 1:17pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 12:30am:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:40pm:

the stated number 150000 is an approximation derived from the total number of homocides 168000, and the proportion of population self identifying as christian(86%). (Use wiki or ameristat they correlate)

I may be off be 10 thou or so but given the fact that america has a population one sixth of the arab world and still manages to kill 8 times as many people as all the extremists combined, quantifiably americans are more dangerous than arabs.

please feel free to check the stats before replying, i welcome correction. its a path to learning.

pho,

I prefer referring to these 'statistics'.

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THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

pho,

QUESTION;

If your stats [of all of those homicides being committed within predominantly Christian nations] are relevant, where is the corresponding WWW site, to this one....

THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

The WWW site, which catalogues all of the atrocities committed by Christians, DAILY ???

The absence of a website cataloging behavior doesn't prove that behavior is non-existent. Cmon Yadda, Your smarter than this post.

I live near a dangerous intersection. 14 people have been killed there over the last 15 years. Their is no website keeping track of fatalities at this intersection. It is still a dangerous intersection.

Yadda, why does the religionofpeace.com only provide information only Islamic crimes-
Does it lack the scope to provide coverage of other religions, or do you think it attempts to create the impression that other religions members do not commit atrocities?

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Pho Huc Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 985 Victoria Gender:	Re: islam - worlds murder cult Reply #40 - Aug 5^th, 2015 at 1:19pm Yadda wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 12:36am: Pho Huc wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:50pm: having two separate definitions is the definition of idiocy. Observer #1, "ISLAM is peace!" Observer #2, "No, no, ISLAM is is a death cult!" Opinions and definitions are not the same thing Yadda
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Reply #41 - Aug 5^th, 2015 at 1:29pm

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 12:38am:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 12:28am:

maybe next time compare definitions prior to agreeing to a definitive definition. not after. helps avoid confusion.
so for clarification, can you decide on one of the two definitions as a definitive definition for future reference, please?

You seem a bit slow. A definitive one was agreed to it never changed. Another one was posted and low and behold islam still came out a cult too wow that's our definitive one and another one. I wonder how many others out there determine islam to be a cult as well.

You sure your not a really a muslim getting all upset inside like hot breath does with his new id dev null ?

It'ld be hard to NOT define islam as a cult.

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Reply #42 - Aug 5^th, 2015 at 1:35pm

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 12:38am:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 12:28am:

maybe next time compare definitions prior to agreeing to a definitive definition. not after. helps avoid confusion.
so for clarification, can you decide on one of the two definitions as a definitive definition for future reference, please?

You seem a bit slow. A definitive one was agreed to it never changed. Another one was posted and low and behold islam still came out a cult too wow that's our definitive one and another one. I wonder how many others out there determine islam to be a cult as well.

You sure your not a really a muslim getting all upset inside like hot breath does with his new id dev null ?

Why do you need to post a secondary definition if a definitive definition has already been posted, and agreed to by you ?

I would presume its because you found a website that already states that Islam is a cult, and rather than expend the effort of editing their work to fit the definition selected by you, you just copied and pasted their content with an attached definition. Lazy and unoriginal- Not what I would have expected from someone who states authenticity to be paramount in a written article (this is the correct use of the word "paramount").

The idea of a single standard definition is to enable us unenlightened people to understand the complex ideas and philosophies promoted by intelligent people such as your self WhyWhyWhy.

My brain is slow and inflexible, and I struggle to present a cogent argument if the meaning of important terms of debate like "cult" is changed every 5 or 6 posts.

If you can try and communicate down at my level for a few pages, maybe keeping to one expansive definition of Cult, that would be greatly appreciated.

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Reply #43 - Aug 5^th, 2015 at 1:36pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 1:29pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 12:38am:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 12:28am:

maybe next time compare definitions prior to agreeing to a definitive definition. not after. helps avoid confusion.
so for clarification, can you decide on one of the two definitions as a definitive definition for future reference, please?

You seem a bit slow. A definitive one was agreed to it never changed. Another one was posted and low and behold islam still came out a cult too wow that's our definitive one and another one. I wonder how many others out there determine islam to be a cult as well.

You sure your not a really a muslim getting all upset inside like hot breath does with his new id dev null ?

It'ld be hard to NOT define islam as a cult.

Its hard to define any religion as anything other than a cult.
IMHO the only difference between a cult and religion is size.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: islam - worlds murder cult Reply #44 - Aug 5^th, 2015 at 2:07pm I don't think there is a difference Pho. 'Cult' is just a word people can use to describe a religion they don't like.
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