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Living Off Credit Card To Get Through To Pay Day
Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:08am
 
Credit card holders gouged more than $2 billion since 2011, research shows 

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    August 4, 2015
    Sydney Morning Herald

The major banks are being accused of gouging customers with startling high interest rates.

Credit card holders have been ripped off more than $2 billion dollars in nearly half a decade because of the banks' failure to pass on official interest rate cuts, research shows.   Sad

Since November 2011, when credit card providers stopped moving interest rates in line with the official cash rate, Australians have been gouged $2.07 billion, say consumer group Choice and comparison website Mozo.

"The fact is an average credit card holder has paid an extra $281 because of unnecessarily high interest rates. Worryingly, this comes at a time when one-in-five Australians are living off their credit card to get through to payday," said Choice's campaigns manager Erin Turner.   Sad

"The findings point to a systemic issue with Australia's banking system. Because the big banks control over 80 per cent of the credit card market, they aren't competing on price and are keeping consumer costs high even though their costs for providing credit have dropped," she said ahead of the Reserve Bank's meeting on Tuesday.


The research found fewer than one-fifth of the 55 major credit card providers between November 2011 and May 2015 adjusted their interest rates following an official interest rate cut.

The official cash rate is at a record-low of 2 per cent. The gap between the Reserve Bank's rate and credit card interest rates is at its widest since records began in 1990.



But in the past few years, interest rates for just about every other type of debt have plunged, baffling economists and consumers.

The top brass of Treasury and the Reserve Bank were interrogated about the record gap by Labor senator Sam Dastyari in June. They conceded it was a "good question" and they would take a closer look.

The Treasury has essentially advised Treasurer Joe Hockey there is no systemic problem in this part of the banking market. It also does not think the issue is a symptom of a lack of competition.

A Senate committee will soon begin investigating into why Australia's big four branks are charging such high rates without clear reason. Choice will present more detailed findings of its analysis.



"We know the average credit card interest rate in June 2011 was 17.41 per cent but instead of falling in-line with the cash rate it rose by 0.2 per cent over the last four years to 17.61 per cent by the 31st of May this year," said Mozo's Kirsty Lamont.

"We have also seen the average credit card annual fee rise from $94 in late 2011 to $115 in May 2015. Clearly consumers are getting a raw deal."   Sad

Steven Münchenberg, chief executive of the Australian Bankers' Association, insisted the banking industry was competitive, pointing to the vast array of credit card products on offer by at least 67 financial institutions.

"The interest rate on bank credit card products covers a broad range - from a low of 5.30 per cent to a high of 20.99 per cent. Each credit card product offers a range of benefits - from no frills to premium options," he said.

"Interest on credit cards is higher than it is for mortgages and some personal loans. This is because credit card lending is unsecured and therefore riskier. Banks need to factor in the risk that the person holding the credit card may default," he said.

"The interest rate will also reflect the various features of the credit card. It is these considerations that drive credit card interest rates, not the Reserve Bank's cash rate."
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Reply #1 - Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:11am
 
1. Get rid of your credit card/s.

2. Learn the invaluable skill of living within your means.


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Reply #2 - Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:18am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:11am:
1. Get rid of your credit card/s.

2. Learn the invaluable skill of living within your means.


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Does that mean you should save up first before you buy a house ?
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Reply #3 - Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:22am
 
She's not saying that rusty. It's about day to day expenses.

I can see people who are so desperate they resort to that merry-go-round but it's bound to end in tears.
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Reply #4 - Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:29am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:22am:
She's not saying that rusty. It's about day to day expenses.

I can see people who are so desperate they resort to that merry-go-round but it's bound to end in tears.


A mortgage is a day to day expense or month to month expense and the banks profit out of both mortgages and credit cards. I see no difference between the two except that it is acceptable to buy a house on credit.
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Reply #5 - Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:33am
 
Yes but a mortgage is a long term investment but the grocery bill or power bill are your short term expenses.

Nothing wrong with using a credit card to pay all those things if you know you can clear the balance within the time limit and avoid the interest. It's a convenient transaction vehicle if you can handle it.
The lenders should be under more constraint as to who they issue them to.
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Reply #6 - Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:34am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:18am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:11am:
1. Get rid of your credit card/s.

2. Learn the invaluable skill of living within your means.


The End


Does that mean you should save up first before you buy a house ?


Oh duh!
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Reply #7 - Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:44am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:33am:
Nothing wrong with using a credit card to pay all those things if you know you can clear the balance within the time limit and avoid the interest.


I never got this.  If you know you can pay the balance off within the time limit, why even bother with a credit card and just use a standard debit card which uses your own money Huh
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Reply #8 - Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:49am
 
I worked for the Commonwealth Bank back in the 1970s when credit cards first came to Australia. Yes I got one back then and I just became credit card free last week. For 40 years that little card was my constant companion, can't say I paid a hell of a lot in interest but am glad to see it gone.
Our banks have a lot to answer for, particularly on the issue of offering increased limits without a full financial check-up.
I know someone who is struggling to keep abreast of a $6000 limit, and yes, perhaps it is her fault she got herself into that situation in the first place, but she should never have been given a $6000 limit by the Westpac Bank.
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Reply #9 - Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:51am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:33am:
Yes but a mortgage is a long term investment but the grocery bill or power bill are your short term expenses.

Nothing wrong with using a credit card to pay all those things if you know you can clear the balance within the time limit and avoid the interest. It's a convenient transaction vehicle if you can handle it.
The lenders should be under more constraint as to who they issue them to.


Does that apply to no doc or no deposit loans on houses or have we all been brainwashed into believing that is the accepted norm to borrow any amount to buy a home ?
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Reply #10 - Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:54am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:33am:
Yes but a mortgage is a long term investment but the grocery bill or power bill are your short term expenses.

Nothing wrong with using a credit card to pay all those things if you know you can clear the balance within the time limit and avoid the interest. It's a convenient transaction vehicle if you can handle it.
The lenders should be under more constraint as to who they issue them to.


So we shouldn't borrow to buy a car  because it's not a long term investment ?
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Reply #11 - Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:57am
 
Stratos wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:44am:
bogarde73 wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:33am:
Nothing wrong with using a credit card to pay all those things if you know you can clear the balance within the time limit and avoid the interest.


I never got this.  If you know you can pay the balance off within the time limit, why even bother with a credit card and just use a standard debit card which uses your own money Huh


Bingo!  That's what we do  Smiley

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Reply #12 - Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:58am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:34am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:18am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:11am:
1. Get rid of your credit card/s.

2. Learn the invaluable skill of living within your means.


The End


Does that mean you should save up first before you buy a house ?


Oh duh!


According to Andrei's signature quote Lisa has no imagination.

"Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination - Oscar Wilde"
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Reply #13 - Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:59am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:54am:
bogarde73 wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:33am:
Yes but a mortgage is a long term investment but the grocery bill or power bill are your short term expenses.

Nothing wrong with using a credit card to pay all those things if you know you can clear the balance within the time limit and avoid the interest. It's a convenient transaction vehicle if you can handle it.
The lenders should be under more constraint as to who they issue them to.


So we shouldn't borrow to buy a car  because it's not a long term investment ?


Yep. Don't ever borrow money for cars, holidays, stereo equipment...etc.

That's what we do.
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Reply #14 - Aug 4th, 2015 at 12:01pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:58am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:34am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:18am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:11am:
1. Get rid of your credit card/s.

2. Learn the invaluable skill of living within your means.


The End


Does that mean you should save up first before you buy a house ?


Oh duh!


According to Andrei's signature quote Lisa has no imagination.

"Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination - Oscar Wilde"


I don't care what Oscar Wilde thought.

I care about what works well for my family today....what puts them in front.
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