polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 7
th, 2015 at 11:45am:
Soren wrote on Aug 7
th, 2015 at 8:20am:
If you were right then the Crusades had nuffin' to do wiv Christianity either because the vast majority of Christian Europeans stayed home.
I admit you perked my interest with this point S - because it got me thinking what does it actually mean by "nuffin to do wiv [insert religion/ideology]". To me its an extremely loaded term to use, and I'll point out I don't believe I've ever used it myself (as in "ISIS has nothing to do with Islam"). Or if I have, I'll probably take it back because its rather silly when you think about it. Of course it has
something to do with Islam - and of course the crusades had
something to do with Christianity, by simple virtue of the fact that in both instances the respective religions were invoked as justification.
But all thats rather meaningless. It misses the point I was talking about - and that is what Islam
represents, what is innate to it - particularly from the point of view of outsiders. And for observers who are not interested in getting into the nitty-gritty of Islamic theology, the only trully meaningful measure is what the majority of muslims believe, and what the majority of muslims do. And it is not a valid argument to simply say "oh but when we think of Islam, we immediately think of terrorism - because thats all we hear about". It is simply an illogical argument to say that Islam is inherently violent because of how a minority behaves - while ignoring how the majority behave
Quote:Nazi Germany had nuffin' to do with WWII because the vast majority of Germans were not members of the Nazi party not of the German armed forces.
A majority of Germans voted for the nazis or the centrist parties that were in coalition with them. The nazis weren't exactly
rejected by a "vast majority" of Germans were they?
Incorrect, firstly the things you have posted here flies in the face of the basic islamic doctrine let alone the nitty gritty of it. Secondly islam is NOT driven by what most muslims personally think up do get it right.
Thirdly those claiming the crusades had something to do with Christianity have rocks in their head. The reason Christianity is referred to is they said they were doing it under the banner of Christianity. Clearly the doctrine dictates to any sane coherent person, that was totally incorrect.
Islam on the other hand totally justifies its violence as it encourages the muslim to do it. You yourself cannot refute the scripture even though you continually say you can but you never do when challenged because simply you cannot. The quran slaps you down every time you try to put it on. The quran fails because it is a false religion against the real God and it fruits are there for all to see. Far to many to hide.
You can associate Islam with its evil doctrine of violence every single time. You cannot associate Christianity as being violent because its doctrine simply does not support it in fact it is the opposite. It is one thing saying Christians are violent wah wah look at the crusades and another to be totally honest and say clearly the Crusades were not driven by true Christianity. It is perfectly normal to say Islamic terrorism and murder and lying is supported by Islam however. I don't expect you to agree with this because after all you want to be muslim. You don't want anything else or better or to see the error you have made. You simply think you are right and simply ignore everything that shows you are in fact wrong. The sign of being caught up in a cult. I know what that feels like as I nearly was once for a while. It all seems just so real.
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