Quote:Why? Because any attempts to point out that most muslims have a different take on those words and deeeds to you will be dismissed and you will just come back to the same argument as you started with... over and over again- eg:
You think it was good. I think it was bad. I think your efforts to justify it reveals the evil of Islam. That is not a circular argument Gandalf.
Quote:Debating religion from a rational point of view is by definition circular - its nothing unique to Islam. Ask any religious person why they "know" the tenets of their religion are true, and it will only ever come down to "because I believe it to be so". Its a matter of faith, not rationality.
That's why it only gets second prize in the most retarded competition Gandalf.
Quote:I admit you perked my interest with this point S - because it got me thinking what does it actually mean by "nuffin to do wiv [insert religion/ideology]". To me its an extremely loaded term to use, and I'll point out I don't believe I've ever used it myself (as in "ISIS has nothing to do with Islam"). Or if I have, I'll probably take it back because its rather silly when you think about it. Of course it has something to do with Islam - and of course the crusades had something to do with Christianity, by simple virtue of the fact that in both instances the respective religions were invoked as justification.
It looks like the corollary of your "actions of the majority of Muslims" argument.
Quote:But all thats rather meaningless. It misses the point I was talking about - and that is what Islam represents,
You have been arguing about what represents Islam - eg the actions of the majority of Muslims.
Quote:It is simply an illogical argument to say that Islam is inherently violent because of how a minority behaves - while ignoring how the majority behave
It is inherently violent because Muhammed was a violent man and it forces even people like you to excuse and justify that violence.
Quote:A majority of Germans voted for the nazis or the centrist parties that were in coalition with them. The nazis weren't exactly rejected by a "vast majority" of Germans were they?
The majority of Germans did not gas the Jews. The majority of Germans did not vote for gassing Jews. Does that mean gassing Jews has nothing to do with Nazism?
Quote:As you say, G, Religion is the domestic justification. Expansive wars are power grabs. They are always justified by religious or ideological mumbo-jumbo. Christianity, Empire, Civilization, Freeeeedom.
You left out Caliphate Karnal. Was Islam the domestic justification for the Caliphate, or was the Caliphate the justification for Islam?