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Re: The most retarded circular argument
Reply #45 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 6:44pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 5:55pm:

eg:

By which Allah guides those who pursue His pleasure to the ways of peace and brings them out from darkness's into the light, by His permission, and guides them to a straight path.

5:16

Just for the record allah here is referring to his own book the quran that has all the scriptures I posted in it that he agrees with. In context why would he say anything different if he agreed with the verses I provided.

That is a bad example on your part.

I am still waiting for the rebuttal on the scriptures I posted promoting muslims to become homicidal maniacs and why they should not take offense if thats what they believe. Rather than a diversion by you to another topic.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: The most retarded circular argument Reply #46 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 6:45pm Thats not a description of a democracy FD.
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Re: The most retarded circular argument
Reply #47 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 6:52pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 6:42pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 2:29pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:

Dictionary;
credible = = able to be believed; convincing.

Or in other words:

credible = = the claim that a religion is best represented by the actions and convictions of the few, and not the actions and convictions of the majority.

Should Islam be represented by the actions of the few, the many, or the one Gandalf?

The many (majority).

I would have thought Islam being a documented religion/ideology depending on how you take your islam, would be represented by those that fulfill what it actually teaches in the quran or even by the quran's teachings alone. Since one cannot be a muslim if one does not believe what the quran teaches.

The majority doesn't really work I am afraid.

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Re: The most retarded circular argument
Reply #48 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 7:04pm

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 6:52pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 6:42pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 2:29pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:

Dictionary;
credible = = able to be believed; convincing.

Or in other words:

credible = = the claim that a religion is best represented by the actions and convictions of the few, and not the actions and convictions of the majority.

Should Islam be represented by the actions of the few, the many, or the one Gandalf?

The many (majority).

I would have thought Islam being a documented religion/ideology depending on how you take your islam, would be represented by those that fulfill what it actually teaches in the quran or even by the quran's teachings alone. Since one cannot be a muslim if one does not believe what the quran teaches.

The majority doesn't really work I am afraid.

Logical fallacy.

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Re: The most retarded circular argument
Reply #49 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 7:09pm

|dev|null wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 2:42pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 2:13pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 1:43pm:

I see you've attracted two of the circular arguers G.

dev,

Like many moslems, you have no credibility.

Except Y., I am NOT a Muslim! Which rather sinks your whole argument, now doesn't it? Grin

dev,

I'm sorry to be the one to break this to you, but;

You have NOT achieved 'suspension of disbelief'.

Y. I don't care what you believe.

dev,

If you didn't, you wouldn't respond to the opinions i express in my posts.

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LifeOrDeath Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1548	Re: The most retarded circular argument Reply #50 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 7:13pm polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 7:04pm: Logical fallacy. After you still have NOT said why those scriptures I posted do not show every muslim is a wannbe homicidal maniac. With your core argument being cherry picking. Seriously
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Re: The most retarded circular argument
Reply #51 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 7:17pm

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 7:13pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 7:04pm:

Logical fallacy.

After you still have NOT said why those scriptures I posted do not show every muslim is a wannbe homicidal maniac. With your core argument being cherry picking.

Seriously Grin

I already showed you how one of the verses was cherry picked.

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Re: The most retarded circular argument
Reply #52 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 7:18pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 3:01pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 2:51pm:

every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac

I find this offensive.

gandalf,

I find everything about ISLAM offensive.

Latent, wanna-be homicidal maniacs are walking among us.

Moslems.

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IMAGE...

"BEHEAD ALL THOSE WHO INSULT THE PROPHET"

Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.

'Aussie' moslems on a Sydney street, openly demonstrating and exposing to public view, the violent religious bigotry which ISLAM, has put into their hearts.

'Aussie' moslems on a Sydney street, openly demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion'.

Demanding the 'religious freedom', to kill people who offend them, because they do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

< --------- Those 'Aussie' moslems are engaging in the commission of a HATE CRIME, on 'MAIN ST', Australia!!!

Those 'Aussie' moslems are inciting cultural and political hatred and cultural and political violence, against all Australians [i.e. against the government, of the people of Australia].

And those 'Aussie' moslems are engaged in this type of incitement, inter-cultural and political hatred, simply because many of us, are not moslems, and because Australians do not share the views and opinions of 'Aussie' moslems.

'Aussie' moslems, are inspired by their imam, in their mosques.

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ISLAMIC DOCTRINE.....

MURDERING DISBELIEVERS IS LAWFUL

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

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Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW, TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

Quote:

YT

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."

"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

I am offended by what ISLAM is.

It is a murderous death cult.

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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Re: The most retarded circular argument
Reply #53 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 7:27pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 3:45pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 3:01pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 2:51pm:

You have no credibility, as a self confessed moslem.

My argument uses common sense and has nothing to do with being a muslim

Yadda wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 2:51pm:

every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac

I find this offensive.

I find Yadda offensive.

Highly offensive.

Yadda's "argument":

- all Muslims are Muslims
- all Muslims are terrorists
- all terrorists are Muslims
- all other views are invalid

His shtick is getting old.

greg,

You missed two important preliminary points.

Yadda's "argument":

ISLAM is a death cult
All moslems are followers of ISLAM

- all Muslims are Muslims CORRECT! , got it in one!
- all Muslims are terrorists CORRECT! , got it in one!

- all terrorists are Muslims incorrect
- all other views are invalid that is not my opinion

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Re: The most retarded circular argument
Reply #54 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 7:30pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 7:13pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 7:04pm:

Logical fallacy.

After you still have NOT said why those scriptures I posted do not show every muslim is a wannbe homicidal maniac. With your core argument being cherry picking.

Seriously Grin

I already showed you how one of the verses was cherry picked.

You showed me how one verse was cherry picked did you Grin

. Well that's it then ha ha. Grin

Even if it was that has nothing to do with my assertion.

You are just showing how weak your argument is by accusing me of cherry picking. Refute the cherry picking then. You won't because you cannot, your argument has no base .

You said the quran never taught it and I showed verses where it clearly did. I would say you are embarrassed by what you thought was real.

At the end of the day you still have NOT said why those scriptures I posted do not show every muslim is a wannbe homicidal maniac.

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Re: The most retarded circular argument
Reply #55 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 7:35pm

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 7:30pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 7:13pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 7:04pm:

Logical fallacy.

After you still have NOT said why those scriptures I posted do not show every muslim is a wannbe homicidal maniac. With your core argument being cherry picking.

Seriously Grin

I already showed you how one of the verses was cherry picked.

You showed me how one verse was cherry picked did you Grin

. Well that's it then ha ha. Grin

Even if it was that has nothing to do with my assertion.

You are just showing how weak your argument is by accusing me of cherry picking. Refute the cherry picking then. You won't because you cannot, your argument has no base .

You said the quran never taught it and I showed verses where it clearly did. I would say you are embarrassed by what you thought was real.

At the end of the day you still have NOT said why those scriptures I posted do not show every muslim is a wannbe homicidal maniac.

So you're not denying the verse was cherry picked I see.

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Re: The most retarded circular argument
Reply #56 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 7:49pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 7:35pm:

So you're not denying the verse was cherry picked I see.

Nothing was cherry picked that was your defence for your nothing response.

Once again for the man who cannot substantiate his own religion.

You said the quran never taught it and I showed verses where it clearly did.

At the end of the day you still have NOT said why those scriptures I posted do not show every muslim is a wannbe homicidal maniac.

Here is something more simple if that was too hard a task for you.

What proof do you actually have that mohammed even existed less than 60 years after he was even to have died ?

Just one shred of credible evidence will do. The quran wasn't even around then either.

Then you can tell us why you believe this story ?

$50 says you were born into it and indoctrinated.

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Re: The most retarded circular argument
Reply #57 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 7:59pm

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 7:49pm:

Nothing was cherry picked

Right, just so we're clear here: quoting one verse telling muslims to instill fear in the ranks of their enemy - without mentioning the verse preceding it saying it only applies to enemies who repeatedly break treaties, and without mentioning the verse after ordering muslims to accept any overtures of peace by that enemy - isn't cherry picking?

Please confirm this is the case matty, before we go any further.

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Re: The most retarded circular argument
Reply #58 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 8:06pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 7:59pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 7:49pm:

Nothing was cherry picked

Right, just so we're clear here: quoting one verse telling muslims to instill fear in the ranks of their enemy - without mentioning the verse preceding it saying it only applies to enemies who repeatedly break treaties, and without mentioning the verse after ordering muslims to accept any overtures of peace by that enemy - isn't cherry picking?

Please confirm this is the case matty, before we go any further.

Write those ones off as cherry picking, I couldn't care less. Keep going through the rest and lets see how good your quran is on the homicidal maniac front.

After all you snapped to its defence did you not.

You're the one that said the quran does NOT teach people to become homicidal maniacs. I clearly listed a ton of verses. You can make out they are all cherry picked all you like but they are not.

So lets keep going shall we matty.

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