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Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ? (Read 9714 times)
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #105 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 9:55pm
 
Stratos wrote:

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You don't even know who wrote it


It is accepted that John of Patmos wrote it about 86-91 A.D.

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I don't really care.  What I do care about is that is looks nothing like bismillah like you have repeatedly claim.


chi xi stigma looks extremely similar to the crossed swords of islam followed by bismallah in the vertical.

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What do you mean "all other versions"  There are two fragments from around that period in total that we have today?


The Bible has been translated into about 2500 different languages. Great care was taken to keep the various translations as close as possible to the Hebrew O.T. and the Greek N.T.

The Greek numerical symbols chi xi stigma have been in use since the 1st century A.D. The odds are totally in favour of them being correct and papyrus 115 is a Chinese whisper, a mistake, the author wrote 616 instead of 666.
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #106 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 10:03pm
 
moses wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 9:55pm:
It is accepted that John of Patmos wrote it about 86-91 A.D.


A title given to him because he named himself John and claimed he wrote it on Patmos, not exactly stringent fact checking.

moses wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 9:55pm:
chi xi stigma looks extremely similar to the crossed swords of islam followed by bismallah in the vertical.


Look it up.  In Koine script.
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #107 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 10:33pm
 
moses wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 7:24pm:
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There is no multiple beasts.

The beast is not here yet.


Sorry Wally

Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Revelation 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.


Still doesnt say the beast is out.

Prophet mohamed didnt come from the earth, he had a mother and father.And from all accounts prophet Mohamed was good looking, i hardly think he walked around with two horns.

Again your taking scriptures out of context.
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Reply #108 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 11:30pm
 
Mohamed was mad. You take him seriously - you are mad, too.

Islam is for slaves of the spirit.  It is degrading.


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Reply #109 - Aug 31st, 2015 at 9:57am
 
wally1 wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 10:33pm:
i hardly think he walked around with two horns.


Maybe he was like Hellboy - and he trimmed his horns
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #110 - Aug 31st, 2015 at 6:12pm
 
Stratos wrote Reply #106 - Yesterday at 10:03pm
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A title given to him because he named himself John and claimed he wrote it on Patmos, not exactly stringent fact checking


Accepted by most if not all Biblical scholars

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Look it up.  In Koine script.


chi xi stigma fits the bill, Greek numbers from the ere are:
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #111 - Aug 31st, 2015 at 6:14pm
 
wally1 wrote Reply #107 - Yesterday at 10:33pm

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Still doesnt say the beast is out.

Prophet mohamed didnt come from the earth, he had a mother and father.And from all accounts prophet Mohamed was good looking, i hardly think he walked around with two horns.

Again your taking scriptures out of context


How to recognize the beast:

Beast = Kingdom/government/political power:

islam dominates all aspects of the muslims life, it reigns over law, religion, politics, societal structure.

The 666 beast has been wounded in the past, the deadly wound has healed

islam was most definitely defeated and stopped at The Battle of Tours  October 10, 732 A.D. or the crusades could fill the criteria. Either way islam was stopped but has once again risen to be a world threat.

People are beheaded especially Jews and Christians.

This one speaks for it'self, muslims are associated with beheading world wide right now.

The beast will blaspheme against Y.H.W.H., Christ and the Holy Spirit

Once again this is the trademark of islam, they murder innocent people for worshiping Y.H.W.H., they denigrate Christ as lower than muhammad, they claim the comforter / Holy Spirit of God is muhammad.

The beast wants to rule the world

Every muslim on this earth is vying for a one world islamic caliphate, slaughtering innocent people untill all religion is for allah, is the tenet.

The beast requires a mark to buy and sell

halal certification, the satanic mark of allah to buy and sell. being pushed across the globe right now.

There's one more interesting parallel in the Bible


Genesis 16:11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.

Genesis16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

Ishmael figures prominently in islam

Ishmael is regarded as a prophet (nabi) and an ancestor to Muhammad. He also became associated with Mecca and the construction of the Kaaba, as well as equated with the term "Arab" by some.

So Ishmael is revered by muslims as a founder of islam and the ancestor of muhammad The Bible says he would be against every man, every man would be against him, he would dwell amongst all his brethren.

This perfectly describes islam today: muslims kill other muslims, muslims kill non muslims, they kill everybody / every man, they dwell worldwide / amongst all men.

Another interesting phenomenon is the fact that the symbol for allah, looks like a snake, (the serpent is the symbol for satan in the Bible)    

So you're pretty much it Wally
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #112 - Aug 31st, 2015 at 6:29pm
 
moses wrote on Aug 31st, 2015 at 6:12pm:
Accepted by most if not all Biblical scholars


Based on what historical evidence?  In fact, here's a task for you, give me one historical piece of information about "John of Patmos" other than his alleged authorship of revelation.

moses wrote on Aug 31st, 2015 at 6:12pm:
chi xi stigma fits the bill, Greek numbers from the ere are:


No Moses, they are not.  Find the oldest manuscript you can find of that passage and post it please, so we can actually see what you are looking at that you think looks like Bismillah.

Every one I have seen in Koine looks nothing like it, or what you just posted.
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #113 - Sep 1st, 2015 at 4:23pm
 
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Based on what historical evidence?  In fact, here's a task for you, give me one historical piece of information about "John of Patmos" other than his alleged authorship of revelation.


Well all I've got is the fact that everybody (except you) agree that John of Patmos wrote the revelations.

I know that the author of revelations wrote:

Revelation 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

That's good enough for me, if not for, you then so be it. (We'll have to agree to differ)

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No Moses, they are not.  Find the oldest manuscript you can find of that passage and post it please, so we can actually see what you are looking at that you think looks like Bismillah.

Every one I have seen in Koine looks nothing like it, or what you just posted.


Greek numbers in koine:
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A comparison of crossed swords and bismalla with chi xi stigma shows that if you flip the snake symbol for allah they are extremely similar.

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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #114 - Sep 1st, 2015 at 4:47pm
 
Moses, will you stop dodging the question and actually read and answer what I said.

Stratos wrote on Aug 31st, 2015 at 6:29pm:
Find the oldest
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you can find of that passage and post it please





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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #115 - Sep 1st, 2015 at 6:19pm
 
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You and I both know that there are none left they were written on papyrus, all that remains are a few fragments..

That does not diminish the fact that the earliest copies of the Bible which are available, must have had something to replicate.

I know that 666 is accepted as the number of the beast by 1.5 bilion Christians

So it's either a gigantic worldwide hoax  / conspiracy between all the Christians on the planet, who have deliberately conspired to create millions of Bibles all with the exact same false message. (which by a strange coincidence gives a description of the beast that only islam can fulfil)

Or

They have made copies of early writings which are accurate transcripts.

We can go round in the same circle forever, it's  not going to change anything, islam =beast is now rapidly sweeping the globe, the irony of it all is, the greatest proof of the veracity of the 666 revelation, is the muslims themselves with their beheadings, blasphemy, the desire to create a world wide islamic caliphate, the halal certificate to buy and sell.

You and I have no impact at all, we can only watch from the sidelines and see what comes.


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Reply #116 - Sep 1st, 2015 at 6:38pm
 
Moses, I'm starting to think to you are intentionally avoiding what I'm writing.  I have no problem with you thinking 666 is the correct number.  What I have a problem with is your alleged claim that 666 looks like something it isn't, most obviously with the figure that is supposed to look like bismillah.

That fact you have to rely on a particular type of script that wasn't written until approximately a thousand years after the book you are talking and your repeated dodging of very easy questions makes me think you need to reintroduce yourself to the ninth commandment.

The oldest copies I have seen of Revelation depict nothing of what you describe, so I'll ask again, which copy are you looking at that makes you think it reads something in Arabic?

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Reply #117 - Sep 1st, 2015 at 7:45pm
 
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I don't agree with you at all, chi xi stigma looks very much like the crossed swords of islam followed by the bismallah on it's side.

I've posted the Koine numbers.

I've posted pictures depicting both Koine numbers and the crossed swords bismallah.

I believe you're mistaken with your thousand years later script. I'm using Koine numbers, Koine was the written language of the earliest Christian years it started in the B.C. era.

I think you're placing everything on the roman church which didn't exist untill the fourth century A.D.

There were Christians in the preceding four centuries before Rome accepted Christianity, they would've had writings in Koine which the roman church copied.

I don't know how to make it any plainer Stratos.
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Reply #118 - Sep 1st, 2015 at 9:48pm
 
moses wrote on Sep 1st, 2015 at 7:45pm:
I don't agree with you at all, chi xi stigma looks very much like the crossed swords of islam followed by the bismallah on it's side.


Look at an ancient manuscript written in Koine, and you will see it is vastly different to what you are posting, which is a modern version.  Please just post me an article written in Koine which demonstrates what you think the letters look like.  It doesn't even have to be revelation, or even biblical script.  I just want you to look at it for yourself and see that it differs greatly from anything you have posted.  This is relevant, because if you believe that the author was copying symbols rather than numbers, then we need to understand what those symbols would have looked like at the time they were written down.

moses wrote on Sep 1st, 2015 at 7:45pm:
I think you're placing everything on the roman church which didn't exist untill the fourth century A.D.


I have not once mentioned this.  Please show me where you think I did, because at this stage I think you are genuinely delusional.

moses wrote on Sep 1st, 2015 at 7:45pm:
I'm using Koine numbers


Koine doesn't have specific numbers.  If you have the slightest idea about the language then you would know this.  The only indication in coin that refers to numbers is a line across the top (which by the way debunks your idea that 666 doesn't refer to a number, but symbols)
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Reply #119 - Sep 2nd, 2015 at 10:56am
 
Moses is delusional Stratos.  Simples really.  He believes and sees what he believes.  He manufactures evidence to support that belief.  He is a Christian Zealot.   He is a Christian bigot.    Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy
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