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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #120 - Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 4:28pm

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Look at an ancient manuscript written in Koine, and you will see it is vastly different to what you are posting, which is a modern version. Please just post me an article written in Koine which demonstrates what you think the letters look like. It doesn't even have to be revelation, or even biblical script. I just want you to look at it for yourself and see that it differs greatly from anything you have posted. This is relevant, because if you believe that the author was copying symbols rather than numbers, then we need to understand what those symbols would have looked like at the time they were written down.

Reply #113 - Yesterday at 4:23pm shows numbers written in Koine Greek Stratos.

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I have not once mentioned this. Please show me where you think I did, because at this stage I think you are genuinely delusional.

Your refer to codex vaticanus as not being from the 1st century and that the revelations weren't added to the writings untill about 1000 years later.

I agree, however I also realize the roman church must have duplicated earlier manuscripts which state they were written by John Of Patmos in the first century A.D.

The facts are that The Bible which exists today is accepted as a genuine copy of the early Greek and Hebrew versions.

If you can prove they weren't, you are on your way to stardom and million dollar contracts as a guest speaker.

All you do is call for papyrus manuscripts which are no longer in existence.

The world is yours Stratos if you can confute the millions of Bibles written in about 2500 languages.

For me there are many things apart from the chi xi stigma = crossed swords of islam and bismallah on it's side, which show islam is the Biblical beast 666.

Beast = Kingdom/government/political power:

islam dominates muslim law, religion, politics, societal structure.

The 666 beast has been wounded in the past, the deadly wound has healed

The islamic campaign defeated at the Battle of Tours October 10, 732 A.D. or the crusades could fill the criteria. Either way islam was stopped but has once again risen to be a world threat.

People are beheaded especially Jews and Christians.

islam is synonymous with beheading world wide right now.

The beast will blaspheme against Y.H.W.H., Christ and the Holy Spirit

islamic tenets urge muslims to murder innocent people for worshiping Y.H.W.H., they denigrate Christ as lower than muhammad, they claim the comforter / Holy Spirit of God is muhammad.

The beast wants to rule the world

Every muslim on this earth is striving for a one world islamic caliphate, slaughtering innocent people untill all religion is for allah, is the doctrine.

The beast requires a mark to buy and sell

halal certification, the satanic mark of allah to buy and sell, being pushed across the globe right now.

The parallel in the Bible of Ishmael in the past and muslims today.

Genesis 16:11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.

Genesis16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

Ishmael is revered by muslims as a founder of islam and the ancestor of muhammad. The Bible says he would be against every man, every man would be against him, he would dwell amongst all his brethren.

This perfectly describes islam today: muslims kill other muslims, muslims kill non muslims, they kill everybody / every man, they dwell worldwide / amongst all men.

Unlike islamic theocracies you're free to believe what you like Stratos, just as I am. I am totally convinced islam is one of most detestable, evil concepts ever to be spawned on this earth.

It's more than just a coincidence that islam perfectly fills the criteria for the Biblical beast 666.

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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #121 - Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 5:03pm

moses wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 4:28pm:

Reply #113 - Yesterday at 4:23pm shows numbers written in Koine Greek Stratos.

Does it? or does it show a modern version of a language which has changed drastically since the first century?

moses wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 4:28pm:

Your refer to codex vaticanus as not being from the 1st century and that the revelations weren't added to the writings untill about 1000 years later.

I only referred to the Codex Vaticanus because it was in the photo YOU linked originally Roll Eyes

And yes, Revelation was not added to that book for over a thousand years.

moses wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 4:28pm:

All you do is call for papyrus manuscripts which are no longer in existence.

Incorrect. Look at my recent post, because apparently I need to teach you English as well as Biblical Greek

Stratos wrote on Sep 1^st, 2015 at 9:48pm:

Please just post me an article written in Koine which demonstrates what you think the letters look like. It doesn't even have to be revelation, or even biblical script.

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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #122 - Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 8:02pm

Stratos

I went online and googled Koine Greek Bible translations and got The online Greek Bible

I entered Relevations 13.18 and got

*(=ωδε ἡ σοφία ἐστίν: ὁ ἔχων νοῦν ψηφισάτω τὸν ἀριθμὸν τοῦ θηρίου, ἀριθμὸς γὰρ ἀνθρώπου ἐστίν: καὶ ὁ ἀριθμὸς αὐτοῦ ἑξακόσιοι ἑξήκοντα ἕξι.

I also used Google translation English to Greek for Rev 13.18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

I got

Εδώ είναι η σοφία. Αφήστε τον να συνετού μετρήσει τον αριθμό του θηρίου · επειδή, είναι ο αριθμός ενός ανθρώπου? και ο αριθμός του είναι εξακόσια εξήντα έξι.

Εδώ είναι η σοφία. Αφήστε τον να συνετού μετρήσει τον αριθμό του θηρίου · επειδή, είναι ο αριθμός ενός ανθρώπου? και ο αριθμός του είναι εξακόσια εξήντα έξι.

google translation tells me the written words are εξακόσια = six hundred εξήντα = sixty έξι = six

Greek Numbers and Numerals (Ancient and Modern) tells me that ancient Greek numerals are: 600 χ 60 ξ 6 ς

Koine numerals 666 = χξς crossed swords and bismallah on it's side.

Koine spelling of six hundred sixty six = εξακόσια εξήντα έξι

The Koine bible used the words for 666 not 616 so that rules out the papyrus115 fragments.

So it looks like we have to agree to disagree.

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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #123 - Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 8:14pm

Moses. Languages change.

What you are referring to looks nothing like Biblical Greek from the ancient past.

Stop breaking the ninth commandment.

moses wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 8:02pm:

So it looks like we have to agree to disagree.

Look up an ancient manuscript to see what it would have looked like in John's time. You keep refusing to do this, so I assume at this point you either haven't looked out of laziness, or have looked and are now actively lying to try and justify your ridiculous belief that Mr Shoebat spoonfed into your accepting and unskeptical mind.

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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #124 - Sep 3^rd, 2015 at 6:52pm

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ALL I've been able to find for Rev 13.18 is:

Εδώ είναι η σοφία. Αφήστε τον να συνετού μετρήσει τον αριθμό του θηρίου · επειδή, είναι ο αριθμός ενός ανθρώπου? και ο αριθμός του είναι εξακόσια εξήντα έξι.

Plus the numerals χξς chi xi stigma are ancient Greek numerals.

Stratos can you give me a link which clearly can show Rev 13.18 in Koine Greek and the ancient numerals for six hundred, sixty, six.

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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #125 - Sep 3^rd, 2015 at 7:13pm

moses wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2015 at 6:52pm:

Stratos can you give me a link which clearly can show Rev 13.18 in Koine Greek

Sure

Highlighted is the 666 number, and this is the oldest known manuscript we have that has the number as 666.

This is the other one, and while it has a different figure (616) it is another example of Koine script.

In this picture, one of the earliest known examples of biblical writing we have (some of Pauls writings) you can see if you look the individual characters that make up the 666 (second line you can find the xi etc.)

Notice how it differs greatly from the modern font that you are linking?

Let me know if you need any help with it.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ? Reply #126 - Sep 3^rd, 2015 at 7:28pm Thanks Stratos The highlighted symbols below Don't look that much different to chi xi stigma that I posted χξς or the Codex Vatincus:
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #127 - Sep 3^rd, 2015 at 9:03pm

One has extra additional strokes and is completely curved, and the other has only straight lines.

This is quite important because you are insinuating it is a specific word in Arabic, which looks nothing like the manuscripts I posted, and even less like the old style letter (looks like two z's stacked)

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #128 - Sep 4^th, 2015 at 3:11pm

Stratos
I can see that they are not the mirror image of each other.

However I agree with the theory: if John had a vision he would have had to of come out of his trance / deep sleep / whatever, then write down what he saw. If his language was Koine Greek, Arabic would be unreadable to him. Therefore the crossed swords of islam plus the actual bismallah would have appeared to him as Chi, xi on its back, stigma.

He records the mark of the beast as chi xi stigma.

This is a conjecture only, either it is right or it is wrong.

Notwithstanding, the following absolutely conform to islam right now:

Beast = Kingdom/government/political power:

The 666 beast has been wounded in the past, the deadly wound has healed

People are beheaded especially Jews and Christians.

The beast will blaspheme against Y.H.W.H., Christ and the Holy Spirit

The beast wants to rule the world

muslims today are the murderous parallel of Ishmael of the O.T.

So for me 50% chance χξς is describing an islamic symbol, 100% that the rest of the Biblical description of the beast, perfectly depicts islam.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ? Reply #129 - Sep 4^th, 2015 at 3:19pm moses wrote on Sep 4^th, 2015 at 3:11pm: Therefore the crossed swords of islam plus the actual bismallah would have appeared to him as Chi, xi on its back, stigma. How do you account then that it is clearly referring to number in the passage then, instead of an image?
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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ? Reply #130 - Sep 4^th, 2015 at 3:38pm You've lost me now. Where does the image come in? The crossed swords of islam plus the actual bismallah would have appeared to him as the numbers Chi, xi on its back, stigma.
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #131 - Sep 4^th, 2015 at 4:28pm

moses wrote on Sep 4^th, 2015 at 3:11pm:

Stratos
I can see that they are not the mirror image of each other.

However I agree with the theory: if John had a vision he would have had to of come out of his trance / deep sleep / whatever, then write down what he saw. If his language was Koine Greek, Arabic would be unreadable to him. Therefore the crossed swords of islam plus the actual bismallah would have appeared to him as Chi, xi on its back, stigma.

He records the mark of the beast as chi xi stigma.

This is a conjecture only, either it is right or it is wrong.

Notwithstanding, the following absolutely conform to islam right now:

Beast = Kingdom/government/political power:

The 666 beast has been wounded in the past, the deadly wound has healed

People are beheaded especially Jews and Christians.

The beast will blaspheme against Y.H.W.H., Christ and the Holy Spirit

The beast wants to rule the world

muslims today are the murderous parallel of Ishmael of the O.T.

So for me 50% chance χξς is describing an islamic symbol, 100% that the rest of the Biblical description of the beast, perfectly depicts islam.

One can easy make up there own theories of the rubbish of 666.

Beast = Kingdom/government/political power:

Sounds like the west who bomb every other country to submit to democracy.

People are beheaded especially Jews and Christians.

Sounds like the jews and christians who behead kids with drones and bombs.

The beast will blaspheme against Y.H.W.H., Christ and the Holy Spirit

Muslims dont hate christ, if anything its the jews who hate and ridicule christ

The beast wants to rule the world

No different to the jews and christians

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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #132 - Sep 4^th, 2015 at 4:56pm

moses wrote on Sep 4^th, 2015 at 3:38pm:

The crossed swords of islam plus the actual bismallah would have appeared to him as the numbers Chi, xi on its back, stigma.

Why did he specifically write numbers down then. Not letters, not a physical description of what he had apparently seen, but specifically numbers.

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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ? Reply #133 - Sep 4^th, 2015 at 6:08pm O.K. so now it's, I should have wrote χξς instead of chi xi stigma, you like doing circles Stratos?
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #134 - Sep 4^th, 2015 at 6:18pm

moses wrote on Sep 4^th, 2015 at 6:08pm:

O.K. so now it's, I should have wrote χξς instead of chi xi stigma, you like doing circles Stratos?

Are you aware that you have basically just written, I should have written abc instead of ay bee cee?

All texts I have seen have specifically numbers written in Greek, not symbols.

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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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