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Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ? (Read 9598 times)
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #30 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 7:51am
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 7:40am:
freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 7:29am:
Muhammad predicted the fall of the Roman empire many centuries after it happened? Awesome. Where do I sign up?



He also flew on a horse to heaven!

A horse grew wings & flew!


They also brought back the dead, did alot of miracles, so why cant a horse fly?
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Reply #31 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 8:01am
 
wally1 wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 7:51am:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 7:40am:
freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 7:29am:
Muhammad predicted the fall of the Roman empire many centuries after it happened? Awesome. Where do I sign up?



He also flew on a horse to heaven!

A horse grew wings & flew!


They also brought back the dead, did alot of miracles, so why cant a horse fly?



Quite right & also virgin births!
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #32 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 4:52pm
 
wally1 wrote Reply #24 - Yesterday at 5:41pm:

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Seems like you dont even know your own religion or truly know who jesus was.

Jesus was a prophet and messenger.

messenger-Sent with a message being the bible/gospel.

prophet- person inspired from the creator at the will of the creator.


You wish Wally, the Christian religion is based on the fact that Christ was the predicted Messiah, the saviour of mankind.

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wally1 wrote Reply #30 - Today at 7:51am

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They also brought back the dead, did alot of miracles, so why cant a horse fly?


Well you see according to the N.T. the miracles of Christ were witnessed by a multitude of people at the very time they occurred.

muhammad had no witnesses to any divine miracle performed by him,the only thing witnessed, was muhammad's thieving, lying, raping, torturing and mass murdering.
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Reply #33 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 4:53pm
 
Stratos wrote Reply #25 - Yesterday at 5:41pm:

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Again, prophecy is not prediction.  It is speaking on behalf of a deity.

Which Muhammad did.


Well the dictionary disagrees with you:

prophecy noun:

1/. Knowledge of the future (usually said to be obtained from a divine source)

2/. A prediction uttered under divine inspiration

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Pfft, name one prophecy that was necessarily a divine prediction, that came true precisely as predicted.



A page from google listing some links


one of those links typical of fulfilled prophecy
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Reply #34 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 5:08pm
 
OK Moses, now all you have to show is that those events actually happened, were precisely predicted before they happened, and are necessarily the result of divine intervention.

What's your best?
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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Reply #35 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 5:43pm
 
The links provided above are a starting point.

another fairly good one
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Reply #36 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 5:49pm
 
No they don't.

The one you provided ( I assume you would only show your best evidence) just makes baseless assumptions with zero calculations showing their work.

I sincerely hope that isn't your best.
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Reply #37 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 6:06pm
 
As far as I can see they recount the words of the prophets, the Biblical verses which record the predictions, and the actual events which eventuated to fulfil the prophecies.
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Reply #38 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 6:08pm
 
moses wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 6:06pm:
and the actual events which eventuated to fulfil the prophecies.


Fine me ONE contemporary piece of evidence that shows Jesus existed.

Contemporary meaning from the time he was alleged to have lived.
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Reply #39 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 6:35pm
 
Tacitus—or more formally, Caius/Gaius (or Publius) Cornelius Tacitus (55/56–c. 118 C.E.)—was a Roman senator, orator and ethnographer, and arguably the best of Roman historians. His name is based on the Latin word tacitus, “silent,” from which we get the English word tacit. Interestingly, his compact prose uses silence and implications in a masterful way.

Tacitus’s last major work, titled Annals, written c. 116–117 C.E., includes a biography of Nero. In 64 C.E., during a fire in Rome, Nero was suspected of secretly ordering the burning of a part of town where he wanted to carry out a building project, so he tried to shift the blame to Christians. This was the occasion for Tacitus to mention Christians, whom he despised. This is what he wrote—the following excerpt is translated from Latin by Robert Van Voorst:

Neither human effort nor the emperor’s generosity nor the placating of the gods ended the scandalous belief that the fire had been ordered [by Nero]. Therefore, to put down the rumor, Nero substituted as culprits and punished in the most unusual ways those hated for their shameful acts … whom the crowd called “Chrestians.” The founder of this name, Christ [Christus in Latin], had been executed in the reign of Tiberius by the procurator Pontius Pilate … Suppressed for a time, the deadly superstition erupted again not only in Judea, the origin of this evil, but also in the city [Rome], where all things horrible and shameful from everywhere come together and become popular

Tacitus’s terse statement about “Christus” clearly corroborates the New Testament on certain historical details of Jesus’ death. Tacitus presents four pieces of accurate knowledge about Jesus: (1) Christus, used by Tacitus to refer to Jesus, was one distinctive way by which some referred to him, even though Tacitus mistakenly took it for a personal name rather than an epithet or title; (2) this Christus was associated with the beginning of the movement of Christians, whose name originated from his; (3) he was executed by the Roman governor of Judea; and (4) the time of his death was during Pontius Pilate’s governorship of Judea, during the reign of Tiberius. (Many New Testament scholars date Jesus’ death to c. 29 C.E.; Pilate governed Judea in 26–36 C.E., while Tiberius was emperor 14–37 C.E.6)

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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #40 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 6:42pm
 
Your own argument debunks itself in it's first sentence Moses.

That's a pretty epic fail.
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #41 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 7:27pm
 
Tacitus

Born
c. 56 AD

Died
c. 117 AD (aged c. 61)

Occupation
Senator, consul, governor, historian

Genre
History, Silver Age of Latin

Subject
History, biography, oratory

Publius (or Gaius) Cornelius Tacitus (/ˈtæsɨtəs/; Classical Latin: [ˈtakɪtʊs]; c. AD 56 – after 117) was a senator and a historian of the Roman Empire. The surviving portions of his two major works—the Annals and the Histories—examine the reigns of the Roman Emperors Tiberius, Claudius, Nero, and those who reigned in the Year of the Four Emperors (AD 69). These two works span the history of the Roman Empire from the death of Augustus in AD 14 to the years of the First Jewish–Roman War in AD 70. There are substantial lacunae in the surviving texts, including a gap in the Annals that is four books long.

Tacitus' other writings discuss oratory (in dialogue format, see Dialogus de oratoribus), Germania (in De origine et situ Germanorum), and the life of his father-in-law, Agricola, the Roman general responsible for much of the Roman conquest of Britain, mainly focusing on his campaign in Britannia (De vita et moribus Iulii Agricolae).

Tacitus is considered to be one of the greatest Roman historians.[1][2] He lived in what has been called the Silver Age of Latin literature. He is known for the brevity and compactness of his Latin prose, as well as for his penetrating insights into the psychology of power politics.

Life

Tacitus was born in 56 or 57 to an equestrian family;[4] like many Latin authors of both the Golden and Silver Ages, he was from the provinces, probably northern Italy or Gallia Narbonensis. The exact place and date of his birth are not known, and his praenomen (first name) is also unknown; in the letters of Sidonius Apollinaris his name is Gaius, but in the major surviving manuscript of his work his name is given as Publius.


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I'll take dictionaries, bible prophecies and fulfillments, historians for proof any day, over what has emerged as the counter argument.   

There is a modern statue representing Tacitus outside the Austrian Parliament Building

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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #42 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 7:38pm
 
Slightly better, you only refute your article in it's second line this time.

In case you missed it.

moses wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 7:27pm:
c. 56 AD


Which means he was born an entire generation (approximately 30 years, slightly less at this time period) after the events that he is supposed to be writing about, and is therefore not contemporary.  To make it even more of a joke of a source, he wrote Annals in 116.  Far far FAR from a contemporary source by this point.

So I'll ask again, do you have any contemporary evidence for the existence of Jesus?

moses wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 7:27pm:
There is a modern statue representing Tacitus outside the Austrian Parliament Building


Interesting I guess, although completely irrelevant.
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Reply #43 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 7:43pm
 
Oh, and ironically, the years of Tacitus' Annals that would have taken place during Jesus alleged ministry were not preserved by the church for what I imagine must be a real corker of a reason Tongue

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Reply #44 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 8:03pm
 
As far as I know there's nothing from the actual date of Jesus' life time. Not surprising as the Jews were under roman rule, Israel was utterly destroyed by their conquerors, there was nothing left from that time.

There are a few historians from a few years later like Tacitus, Pliny the Younger to Emperor Trajan, Josephus a first century Jewish historian, the Babylonian Talmud, Lucian of Samosata, plus the writings of the N.T.

So again I say dictionaries, fulfilled prophecies, ancient historians give more concrete evidence, than the simple anti-Christian dogma *it never happened*, to the fact that Christ actually existed.
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