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Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ? (Read 9641 times)
Stratos
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #45 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 8:39pm
 
moses wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 8:03pm:
fulfilled prophecies


It can't be a fulfilled prophecy if you can't prove the event even happened surely.  I mean come on.

moses wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 8:03pm:
than the simple anti-Christian dogma *it never happened*, to the fact that Christ actually existed.


I never said none of it ever happened, I said there is no contemporary evidence that Jesus existed, which as you yourself have said is true.
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #46 - Aug 25th, 2015 at 3:54pm
 
Stratos wrote:

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It can't be a fulfilled prophecy if you can't prove the event even happened surely.  I mean come on.


There are numerous sites which deal exclusively with the many Bible prophecies fulfilled, they give an explanation which can fit the scenarios, however given that the bible was written using symbols, parables and parallels, none of the prophecies say outright and directly what they mean.

So we have :

1/. people can't precisely prove that the explanations are correct.

2/. people can't exactly prove that the explanations are incorrect.

So I come down on the side of the affirmative, Christ existed.

My reasons are:  Credible historians from that early period cite Jesus in their works, the Babylonian Talmud, Lucian of Samosata, plus the writings of the N.T.

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I never said none of it ever happened, I said there is no contemporary evidence that Jesus existed, which as you yourself have said is true.


I agree, as any evidence from Jesus' own lifetime would have gone the way of everything else, when the Romans defeated the Jews and totally destroyed Jerusalem etc.

The Romans razed everything, slaughtered over one million Jews and enslaved the rest.
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #47 - Aug 25th, 2015 at 9:36pm
 
moses wrote on Aug 25th, 2015 at 3:54pm:
they give an explanation which can fit the scenarios


Congratulations then on reaching the same lofty heights as my local newspaper's astrology section.

Completely unfalsifiable, and therefore completely worthless as prophecy.
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Reply #48 - Aug 26th, 2015 at 10:49am
 
moses wrote on Aug 25th, 2015 at 3:54pm:
There are numerous sites which deal exclusively with the many Bible prophecies fulfilled, they give an explanation which can fit the scenarios, however given that the bible was written using symbols, parables and parallels, none of the prophecies say outright and directly what they mean.


I see - kinda like Nostradamus then - it says whatever the hell you want it to say.
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Reply #49 - Aug 26th, 2015 at 12:44pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 26th, 2015 at 10:49am:
moses wrote on Aug 25th, 2015 at 3:54pm:
There are numerous sites which deal exclusively with the many Bible prophecies fulfilled, they give an explanation which can fit the scenarios, however given that the bible was written using symbols, parables and parallels, none of the prophecies say outright and directly what they mean.


I see - kinda like Nostradamus then - it says whatever the hell you want it to say.


Exactly. Only the Koran doesn’t mean what it says, you know.
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Reply #50 - Aug 26th, 2015 at 1:19pm
 
Karnal wrote on Aug 26th, 2015 at 12:44pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 26th, 2015 at 10:49am:
moses wrote on Aug 25th, 2015 at 3:54pm:
There are numerous sites which deal exclusively with the many Bible prophecies fulfilled, they give an explanation which can fit the scenarios, however given that the bible was written using symbols, parables and parallels, none of the prophecies say outright and directly what they mean.


I see - kinda like Nostradamus then - it says whatever the hell you want it to say.


Exactly. Only the Koran doesn’t mean what it says, you know.


Grin Indeed - there is only one interpretation of the Quran - and only the tiny minority of crazies have it right.
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Reply #51 - Aug 26th, 2015 at 3:39pm
 
Yes the biblical prophecies are written using symbolic code.

Why? Well the Bible says:

Luke 8 :10 And He said, "To you it has been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is given in parables, that 'Seeing they may not see, And hearing they may not understand.'

Bible code uses Animals, Colours, Metals, Elements, and Natural Objects etc.

It has  nothing to do with interpretation, the bible codes are made comprehensible in the bible it'self


A full explanation of Bible symbolic code here

As for it being like the qur'an, nothing could be further from the truth.

The bible uses symbols to predict the future. all symbols explained here

The qur'an uses direct commands, to thieve, lie, torture and slaughter innocent human beings.

There's a huge difference between a prophecy and a command.
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Reply #52 - Aug 26th, 2015 at 4:03pm
 
Apparently Muhammed predicted the ethnic cleansing of all non-Muslims. He did not order it. Lo and behold, his prediction came true.
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Reply #53 - Aug 26th, 2015 at 4:34pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 26th, 2015 at 4:03pm:
Apparently Muhammed predicted the ethnic cleansing of all non-Muslims. He did not order it. Lo and behold, his prediction came true.


His uncle,family and neighbours where non muslims,he didn't harm them.
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Reply #54 - Aug 26th, 2015 at 4:45pm
 
Nepotism. Typical  Roll Eyes
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Reply #55 - Aug 26th, 2015 at 4:51pm
 
How do you know none of his relatives were affected by the ethnic cleansing?
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Reply #56 - Aug 26th, 2015 at 5:02pm
 
Moses, you cannot be serious.
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #57 - Aug 26th, 2015 at 6:18pm
 
Why not Stratos?

The facts are:
1/. the Bible was written using symbolic code.
2/. the code is generally explained in another part of Scriptures.

As an instance, how many times have people with zero knowledge tried to denigrate Christ's teaching with the following verse?


Matthew 10.34: Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Christians know what sword means:

Sword = the Word of God

Ephesians 6.17: And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Revelations 2.16: Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Revelations 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
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Reply #58 - Aug 26th, 2015 at 6:52pm
 
Let's assume you are 100% correct on that, what on earth does that have to do with predicting the future, and what accurate future prediction have been made using that model.

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Reply #59 - Aug 27th, 2015 at 4:02pm
 
It's been done to death Stratos, it's quiet easy to google pages which show how Israel was restored in 1948 according to bible prophecy, just as easy to google up pages which show how Christ was the messiah according to bible prophecy, the one running hot right now, is the 666 prophecy, which shows that islamic bismallah is the equivalent to 666 in 1st century Greek.

This is accepted by a multitude of people as the depraved behaviour of the muslims (beheading, torture, murder etc.) all fall into line with the said prophecy.
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