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Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ? (Read 9647 times)
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #75 - Aug 28th, 2015 at 5:08pm
 
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Well we don't have the first edition, so I dunno how you can claim that.  It was however most likely yes.

YOUR COPY IS NOT WRITTEN IN KOINE GREEK THOUGH, IT IS WRITTEN IN MINISCULE.

I already said this hence caps, maybe you will read it this time, and have linked to the oldest copy I know of (p115, which I have also already linked) looks NOTHING like what you are describing.


O.K. the Greek assertions first, miniscule next:

The following extracts from here

During the thousand years of its composition, almost the entire Old Testament was written in Hebrew.

The New Testament, however, was written in Greek.

The earliest copies of parts of the Hebrew Old Testament were discovered in 1947. They are part of the famous Dead Sea Scrolls and actually date back to the first century BC. Even though they are at least 900 years older than any parts of the Bible we had before this, they are not the originals. They are copies. The originals have all been lost or destroyed.



the below extracts from here

Language of the Hebrew Bible
The texts were mainly written in Biblical Hebrew,

The very first translation of the Hebrew Bible was into Greek.

Languages of the New Testament
The books of the Christian New Testament are widely agreed to have originally been written in Greek, specifically Koine Greek, even though some authors often included translations from Hebrew and Aramaic texts. Certainly the Pauline Epistles were written in Greek for Greek-speaking audiences. See Greek primacy for further details. Koine Greek was the popular form of Greek which emerged in post-classical antiquity (c.300 BC – AD 300), and marks the third period in the history of the Greek language.[1] It is also called Alexandrian, Hellenistic, Common, or New Testament Greek.

So we can take it as a given that Koine Greek was the language of the earliest translations and writings, the Dead Sea Scrolls are accepted as copies, written about 300 years after the event, not originals.

I don't see how it is impossible for the author of the Dead Sea Scrolls not to have made a simple mistake, e.g. 616 instead of 666.

Late edit: I mixed up The dead sea scrolls with Papyrus 115.

Papyrus 115 (P. Oxy. 4499, designated by \mathfrak{P}115 in the Gregory-Aland numbering) is a fragmented manuscript of the New Testament written in Greek on papyrus. It consists of 26 fragments of a codex containing parts of the Book of Revelation, and probably nothing more.[1] It dates to the 3rd century, ca. 225-275 AD.[2] Grenfell and Hunt discovered the papyrus in Oxyrhynchus, Egypt.

So my mistake the dead sea scrolls were not written 300 years later, it was the papyrus 115 fragments which disagrees with the 666 and are about 300 years after the event


666 has been in the Book of Revelations since the earliest of the written Bibles, there has never been any controversy, it has been accepted by scholars world wide as the genuine number in revelations.

Now to the miniscule assertions.

I understand miniscule to be a form of calligraphy for the Latin alphabet, it was used about 800 - 1200 A.D. by the roman church.

Miniscule is not a language, it is calligraphy.

So the roman church used miniscule calligraphy to translate the original Greek writing into Latin.

666 would've been in the original Koine Greek versions, translated into Latin using miniscule calligraphy, 666 would have remained in the translated versions.

I believe it has now been translated into about 2,500 languages world wide, they all say 666.
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #76 - Aug 28th, 2015 at 5:23pm
 
5 year old kid-what is 1 plus 1=Kid says 2.

Moses-what is 1 plus 1=window.

5 year old-what is 3 plus 3=kid says 6.

Moses-whats is 3 plus 3=8
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #77 - Aug 29th, 2015 at 7:30am
 
moses wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 5:08pm:
666 has been in the Book of Revelations since the earliest of the written Bibles, there has never been any controversy, it has been accepted by scholars world wide as the genuine number in revelations.


I'm not disputing that, I'm disputing that 666 in Koine Greek looks precisely nothing like Bismillah and a pair of crossed swords.

moses wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 5:08pm:
I understand miniscule to be a form of calligraphy for the Latin alphabet, it was used about 800 - 1200 A.D. by the roman church.

Miniscule is not a language, it is calligraphy.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_minuscule
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #78 - Aug 29th, 2015 at 3:10pm
 
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I'm not disputing that, I'm disputing that 666 in Koine Greek looks precisely nothing like Bismillah and a pair of crossed swords.


Yes you have to add the crossed swords and turn the name of allah on it's side to get something resembling:

The first Greek letter, χ with the numerical value of 600.

Then the middle Greek letter, ξ, with a numerical value of 60.

The third Greek letter, ς, , although its assigned numerical value has changed since the first century, back in the first century the stigma had a numerical value of 6.

When we put all of these letters together we get Χξς, which has a numerical value of 600 + 60 +6 = 666.

However the beast had other distinguishing characteristics explained in the Bible, which islam fits perfectly:

Beheading Christians and Jews, muslims love it. All muslims want to belong to one world islamic state. Blaspheming against Y.H.W.H. and Christ. The satanic mark in order to buy and sell (halal certification).

So it all could be one big coincidence or it could be true.

For me looking at the world right now, I don't need any book to tell me just how evil and abhorrently detestable and backwards islam is.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_minuscule


O.K. I got my info from

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolingian_minuscule

Carolingian or Caroline minuscule is a script which developed as a calligraphic standard in Europe so that the Latin alphabet could be easily recognized by the literate class from one region to another. It was used in the Holy Roman Empire between approximately 800 and 1200.

However both sites basically say that miniscule is a writing form. In use about 800 -1200 A.D.

Not to worry at least I'm learning something.
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Reply #79 - Aug 29th, 2015 at 3:40pm
 
The only problem with your masterful analysis, Moses, is that Islam has been around for over 1200 years. The Beast is meant to precede the apocalypse, not hang
g around for almost as long as Christianity itself.
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #80 - Aug 29th, 2015 at 3:59pm
 
his deadly wound was healed, Revelations 13:3

So the  Beast = Kingdom/government/political power  has been beaten once before, could have been at :

The Battle of Tours  October 10, 732 A.D. or the crusades I don't know, however islam has been bought to heel in the past, but has once again risen to be a world threat.

E.G. islam wounded and stopped in the past, regained it's power and once again battling to defeat the righteous.
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Reply #81 - Aug 29th, 2015 at 4:41pm
 
Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?

Because if you call him a deficit someone will blow you up.
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #82 - Aug 29th, 2015 at 5:20pm
 
moses wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 3:10pm:
Then the middle Greek letter, ξ, with a numerical value of 60.


Moses, please look at the manuscript I have linked several times now before responding, and let me know if you see any corellation between the letter that is written there and bismilah.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papyrus_115#/media/File:P._Oxy._LXVI_4499.jpg
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #83 - Aug 29th, 2015 at 5:49pm
 
moses wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 3:59pm:
his deadly wound was healed, Revelations 13:3

So the  Beast = Kingdom/government/political power  has been beaten once before, could have been at :

The Battle of Tours  October 10, 732 A.D. or the crusades I don't know, however islam has been bought to heel in the past, but has once again risen to be a world threat.

E.G. islam wounded and stopped in the past, regained it's power and once again battling to defeat the righteous.


the beast you mention doesnt refer to islam, if anything it refers to the physical beast or antichrist that will appear at the end of times.

Your getting your scriptures all wrong
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Reply #84 - Aug 29th, 2015 at 5:52pm
 
I just bought a case of beer and I'm about to get Mo-hammered! Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #85 - Aug 29th, 2015 at 8:29pm
 
Stratos wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 5:20pm:
Moses, please look at the manuscript I have linked several times now before responding, and let me know if you see any corellation between the letter that is written there and bismilah.



بسم لله
- my God! The resemblance is uncanny. You can't deny it Stratos  Shocked
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #86 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 5:37pm
 
Stratos wrote Yesterday at 5:20pm:

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Moses, please look at the manuscript I have linked several times now before responding, and let me know if you see any corellation between the letter that is written there and bismilah.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papyrus_115#/media/File:P._Oxy._LXVI_4499.jpg


You keep referring to Papyrus_115 Stratos. Papyrus 115 (P. Oxy. 4499, designated by \mathfrak{P}115 in the Gregory-Aland numbering) is a fragmented manuscript of the New Testament written in Greek on papyrus. It consists of 26 fragments of a codex containing parts of the Book of Revelation, and probably nothing more.[1] It dates to the 3rd century, ca. 225-275 AD.[2] Grenfell and Hunt discovered the papyrus in Oxyrhynchus, Egypt.

A fragmented manuscript (26 fragments) dated 3rd century 225-275 A.D.

It is not the original it states the number is 616.

I've said this before: why is it impossible for someone nearly 300 years after the actual event, while making a copy, to mistakenly wrote 616 instead of 666?

Why do all Bibles have the number 666?

Numerous scholars have gone to great lengths to ensure the Bible is an exact copy of the earliest Greek versions.

I don't accept that papyrus 115 (26 fragments of a 3rd century copy) is the absolute authority of biblical text.

Plus islam fills all the characteristics of the beast 666.
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Reply #87 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 5:39pm
 
wally1 wrote Yesterday at 5:49pm:

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the beast you mention doesnt refer to islam, if anything it refers to the physical beast or antichrist that will appear at the end of times.

Your getting your scriptures all wrong


There are a couple of beasts Wally, islam perfectly fills the criteria of the beast know as 666.

Just a few requirements 666 is pushing for are

Beheading Christians and Jews, muslims love it.

All muslims want to belong to one world islamic state.

Blaspheming against Y.H.W.H. and Christ.

The satanic mark in order to buy and sell (halal certification).
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Reply #88 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 5:43pm
 
gandalf wrote:Yesterday at 8:29pm
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بسم لله - my God! The resemblance is uncanny. You can't deny it Stratos


لله


Yes add the crossed swords of islam and turn the name of allah on it's side reveals Χξς, which has a numerical value of 600 + 60 +6 = 666.

Look at the atrocities urged by the cult of islam, committed  by muslims, it all falls into place.

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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #89 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 5:52pm
 
moses wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 5:37pm:
It is not the original it states the number is 616.


I know it isn't the original, it is the oldest copy I found.  What is the oldest one you have seen?

Do you have the original?  If so please share (with me, and the entire academic world, and then standby while you are forevermore set for life for finding one of the most important archaeological finds in history)

moses wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 5:37pm:
Numerous scholars have gone to great lengths to ensure the Bible is an exact copy of the earliest Greek versions.


Such as copies of which earliest Greek versions?  There are 2 that I'm aware of (p115 and p47) both look nothing like bismillah that you are claiming it does (and that naughty Mr Shoebat lied to you about)
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