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Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Aug 4^th, 2015 at 3:41pm

Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?

Assuming he even existed of course of which there is no evidence except stories and a book called a quran that only came into existence 60 years after he was supposed to have died in the first place.

Assuming this story is all true what exactly was his prophecy that made him a prophet ? Grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=21&v=3BnjHVd4aps

This may explain some anger issues I would imagine.

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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #1 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 3:59pm

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 3:41pm:

Assuming this story is all true what exactly was his prophecy that made him a prophet ?

from wikipedia:

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Prophecy involves a process in which one or more messages allegedly communicated to a prophet[1] are then communicated to other people.

why, muslims believe Muhammad was a prophet because he received the word of God (The Quran) through the angel Gabriel. He then communicated this book to the people.

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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #2 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 4:50pm

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 3:41pm:

Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?

Assuming he even existed of course of which there is no evidence except stories and a book called a quran that only came into existence 60 years after he was supposed to have died in the first place.

Assuming this story is all true what exactly was his prophecy that made him a prophet ? Grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=21&v=3BnjHVd4aps

This may explain some anger issues I would imagine.

Just to clarify for the more simplistic audience.

Since muslims follow mohammed who was supposed to have existed and was supposed to be a prophet. One can only assume when they are asked what he actually prophesied and they have to respond with nothing, or rioting. That that would either way make them a bit angry and would explain the rioting and anger when the story they follow is questioned.

Not to mention the only miracle he was supposed to have done was flying on a donkey with the donkey being the only witness. Now come on.

Personally I think after all the blind commitment since birth to islam, in the end to find out its all fluff, either forces one into denial and anger to try and save face. The only other alternative is excommunication from the family and muslim world and community.

Hence the comment on it explaining some of the anger issues muslims seem to have on the news every single night regarding islam and people they don't believe like they do.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ? Reply #3 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 4:53pm "prophesising" isn't telling the future matty. Nor do prophets have to perform miracles. A prophet is a prophet simply by receiving and relaying a message from God.
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double plus good Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5693 Gender:	Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ? Reply #4 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 4:55pm I'm getting Mohammered right now. SALAD SNACKBAR!!!!!!
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #5 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 4:59pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 3:59pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 3:41pm:

Assuming this story is all true what exactly was his prophecy that made him a prophet ?

from wikipedia:

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Prophecy involves a process in which one or more messages allegedly communicated to a prophet[1] are then communicated to other people.

why, muslims believe Muhammad was a prophet because he received the word of God (The Quran) through the angel Gabriel. He then communicated this book to the people.

You must mean this Matty , you left a bit out.

"Prophecy involves a process in which one or more messages allegedly communicated to a prophet[1] are then communicated to other people. Such messages typically involve divine inspiration, interpretation, or revelation of events to come (compare divine knowledge). Historically, clairvoyance has been used[by whom?] as an adjunct to prophecy.[2]"

So Gabriel spoke with him with no witnesses except him and some writings 60 years after he was supposed to exist ?

Much like flying on the donkey being his only miracle and only the donkey was the witness.

Not one other country even documented a muslim or mohammeds so called victories in the time period he was supposed to have even existed.

So he communicated it with a book 60 years after his so called death and existence. That works.

That's beside the point.

So what was his prophecy about events to come again ?

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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #6 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 5:03pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 4:53pm:

"prophesising" isn't telling the future matty.

Nor do prophets have to perform miracles.

A prophet is a prophet simply by receiving and relaying a message from God.

So matty, anyone is a prophet if they want to be according to you. Your definition definitely works for mohammed, and everyone and anyone else. So the term is rendered useless then for muslims so they are happy.

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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #7 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 5:08pm

So mohammed was a prophet that never once had a prophecy.

The word prophecy comes from the Greek verb, προφημι (prophemi), which means “to say beforehand, foretell”; it is a combination of the Greek words, προ and φημι. The Greek prefix προ also means "before," "in front of," so etymologically προφημι means to speak in front of, as a spokesperson

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96331	Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ? Reply #8 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 5:13pm polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 4:53pm: "prophesising" isn't telling the future matty. Nor do prophets have to perform miracles. A prophet is a prophet simply by receiving and relaying a message from God. But G, Y does that all the time.
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LifeOrDeath Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1548	Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ? Reply #9 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 5:19pm Are you capable of contributing to the discussion or do you just troll 24/7 ?
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #10 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 5:45pm

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 5:08pm:

So mohammed was a prophet that never once had a prophecy.

The word prophecy comes from the Greek verb, προφημι (prophemi), which means “to say beforehand, foretell”; it is a combination of the Greek words, προ and φημι. The Greek prefix προ also means "before," "in front of," so etymologically προφημι means to speak in front of, as a spokesperson

Well gee whiz matty, ever considered that this is the English word?

Whats the actual arabic/Islamic word for Muhammad? 'rasool' - which literally means messenger. Thats what Islam means by what is translated as "prophet" - someone who relays the message of God - aka 'a messenger'. Nothing to do with fortune tellers.

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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #11 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 6:18pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 5:08pm:

So mohammed was a prophet that never once had a prophecy.

The word prophecy comes from the Greek verb, προφημι (prophemi), which means “to say beforehand, foretell”; it is a combination of the Greek words, προ and φημι. The Greek prefix προ also means "before," "in front of," so etymologically προφημι means to speak in front of, as a spokesperson

Well gee whiz matty, ever considered that this is the English word?

Whats the actual arabic/Islamic word for Muhammad? 'rasool' - which literally means messenger. Thats what Islam means by what is translated as "prophet" - someone who relays the message of God - aka 'a messenger'. Nothing to do with fortune tellers.

Well golly gosh Matty.

So all the muslims referring to him being a prophet are wrong. Grin

3:79 It is not for a human [prophet] that Allah should give him the Scripture and authority and prophethood and then he would say to the people, "Be servants to me rather than Allah ," but [instead, he would say], "Be pious scholars of the Lord because of what you have taught of the Scripture and because of what you have studied."

I guess the author never meant prophethood as well.

So we agree mohammed was not a prophet and never had ONE prophecy.

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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #12 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 6:23pm

Muhammad is the primary transliteration of the Arabic given name, مُحَمَّد‎, from the triconsonantal root of Ḥ-M-D; Praise. It is the name of the Islamic prophet.

Meaning & History
Means "praiseworthy", derived from Arabic حمد (hamid) "to praise". This was the name of the prophet who founded the Islamic religion in the 7th century. Since his time, it has been very popular in the Muslim world.
The name was borne by six sultans of the Ottoman Empire (though their names are usually given in the Turkish spelling Mehmet). Another famous bearer was Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi, a 9th-century Persian mathematician and scientist who devised algebra.

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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #13 - Aug 19^th, 2015 at 4:09pm

And then there was the champion boxer Mohamed Ali who like many black Americans in the 1960s took the name in the hope of finding some ancestry. Those new black Muslims seemed unaware that most West Africans were captured as heathens by Muslims and sold to Portuguese and Spanish traders on the coast for labour in the plantations of the New World.

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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #14 - Aug 20^th, 2015 at 8:10pm

Prophecy is just someone who claims to deliver a message from God.

You can be one yourself, for a modern example try Joseph Smith.

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 5:08pm:

The word prophecy comes from the Greek verb, προφημι (prophemi), which means “to say beforehand, foretell”; it is a combination of the Greek words, προ and φημι. The Greek prefix προ also means "before," "in front of," so etymologically προφημι means to speak in front of, as a spokesperson

Amazing as this may seem, words often have different meanings to their roots.

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 3:41pm:

Assuming he even existed of course of which there is no evidence except stories and a book called a quran that only came into existence 60 years after he was supposed to have died in the first place.

There are several non-Muslim sources that point to a historical figure. However like all such cases, it is very hard to determine historicity when dealing with supposed divinity.

Compared to the historicity of Jesus (for example, pick your favourite scriptural figure) though, Muhammad has a lot more evidence to support a historical figure.

I believe Muhammad most likely existed. Do I believe he flew on a mythical creature? absolutely not.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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