Agreed I never try to reason with them, that much is pointless. I only post facts for others who read the propaganda so they don't get sucked in. I have never seen one muslim ever be taught anything about his religion or the fallacies/myths within and accept it for what it is. Not one. Except only when they are dictated too by their clerics and they teach its all true.

I read about the ones that have broken free and they post online. Kudos to them. That would be a very skinny minority I would imagine.

I believe there are good people caught up in it. Its a shame to see them waste away on a bitter tale span by a few men. The sheer years and effort they put into trying to keep a myth happy. To find out its all bogus is a bloody huge anger enticing thing I would imagine. Not sure after many years how I would react if I was born into it.

I'd probably eventually break free I think after many years.

Yadda, there is a strand of thought among the Christian Faith that argues much the same thing with regards to the Bible (logic etc.) which general goes under the title "presuppositionalism"

Have you heard of them?

Malaysia is one of the examples of a "good" Muslim country that Gandalf and Brian like to trot out. Apparently Brian visited once and escaped with his head still attached, which proves they are just like everyone else.

freediver wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 5:25pm:


I've been to Malaysia.  It was great.  Alcohol was a bit pricey though, no doubt thanks to those dastardly Musselmen

Far from a perfect country, with a hefty amount of corruption and favoritism, but if you can walk uncovered from your house, buy a char siu and drink it with a beer in public, I'm not sure it is the fundamentalist paradise you are looking for Freediver.

There were only two times when my group were inconvenienced by religion, one was at the National Mosque (women had to cover up) and at Batu Caves (women had to cover their legs), a Hindu holy site complete with cheeky monkeys and like a million steps to climb

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 6:15pm:

In the surreal tropical politics of contemporary Malaysia it is good business sense to use government funds to make loss-making property investments in order to enrich personal bank accounts. Recent revelations in the UK based Sarawak Report allege that Prime Minister Najib Razak did exactly this: shoveling hundreds of millions of dollars from the state sovereign wealth fund, 1 Malaysia Development Berhad, into his personal offshore account, whilst the fund that Najib inaugurated, after he became PM in 2009, accumulated losses of $(US)11 billion. Najib is not alone in practicing this Malaysian version of creative accountancy. Another government fund, Mara Holdings, has paid over the top prices for Australian real estate: its board of investors skim off the difference between asking price and what the company pays.

Excluded from this gravy train, former PM Mahathir called upon Najib to resign. The exposure of the extent of government corruption casts doubt not only on Najib’s survival, but also that of the ruling United Malay National Organisation. As a result, the current crisis has not only revealed the kleptocratic practice of a political elite, but also how social media, acting outside the state-policed, mainstream media, can expose the limitations of Malaysia’s authoritarian democracy. The manner in which the ruling party has been accustomed to wield its authoritarian grip and the way that grip has weakened is central to understanding the current crisis. Since independence, UMNO, in alliance with smaller ethnically based Chinese and Indian parties, has overseen national development through a Barisan Nasional (National Front) alliance. However, development in the majority, ethnically Malay interest has incurred political and economic costs. Under former PM Mahathir’s long dominance of the party state from 1981-2003, UMNO determined resource allocation and redistributed assets, where minority Chinese, and to a lesser extent Indian business interests, had prevailed. Under Mahathir’s guidance UMNO’s New Economic Policy redistributed socio-economic goods towards the economically deprived majority Malay community and through this ‘constructive protection’ created a modern ‘Malaysian’ identity.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/australia/australia-features/9597002/rumble-in-the-ju...

Read on.

This corrupt to the core place is the best Islam has to offer.

Soren wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 7:31pm:


The old boy expands on his travel in Malaysia, his head still intact.

We can still have an open casket, dear boy.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 7:39am:


Add to that the physical community their parents have located them in as well. Probably multiple generations above you born into it. Its a shame it was started in a country with a simple people and it took hold of a few generations. The author is long dead and gone. I bet he never imagined his power grab of the people would not be seen through after all these years.

It seems conversations even today on islam are so ridiculous you have to shake your head that you are talking to people that actually talk like its all so serious and real. I mean the guys can wear Armani Suits but the women a garbage bag. If one can't see through that one alone one never will.