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Re: The stifling dictatorial authority of the clerics
Reply #15 - Aug 6^th, 2015 at 2:40pm

freediver wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 7:41pm:

Please quote where I have misrepresented the results of the survey Gandalf.

The survey included the results from the largest muslim country on earth - yet you never thought to mention them. Why is that? The survey overall showed that most muslims worldwide don't share the Malaysian's views on apostasy - yet you never thought to mention that. I wonder why.

Do you understand what is meant by the term cherry picking? Perhaps matty can help you, I recently had to explain it to him too.

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Reply #17 - Aug 6^th, 2015 at 10:26pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 6^th, 2015 at 2:40pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 7:41pm:

Please quote where I have misrepresented the results of the survey Gandalf.

The survey included the results from the largest muslim country on earth - yet you never thought to mention them. Why is that? The survey overall showed that most muslims worldwide don't share the Malaysian's views on apostasy - yet you never thought to mention that. I wonder why.

Do you understand what is meant by the term cherry picking? Perhaps matty can help you, I recently had to explain it to him too.

It wasn't matty it was me that you tried to make out ALL the scripture I posted were cherry picked. You found a couple that were out of context and ignored the plethora of scriptures that were posted from the quran that promotes every muslim on earth to be a wannabe homicidal maniac. You still have not proven nor said why you lied that the quran does not promote such a thing when the quran itself made a fool out of you. I guess the quran does tell you to lie as well so you are still a good muselman.

Good luck on your future apologies for the book and cult.

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Reply #18 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 7:05am

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The survey included the results from the largest muslim country on earth - yet you never thought to mention them. Why is that?

I did mention them Gandalf. Just not in this thread. There are billions of things I did not mention in this thread. Why do you make an issue of not mentionining Indonesia in a thread about Malaysia? Am I supposed to adopt your 'hey, look over there' apologetics? How is this misrepresenting the results of the survey?

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Reply #19 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 10:17am

freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 7:05am:

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The survey included the results from the largest muslim country on earth - yet you never thought to mention them. Why is that?

I did mention them Gandalf. Just not in this thread. There are billions of things I did not mention in this thread. Why do you make an issue of not mentionining Indonesia in a thread about Malaysia? Am I supposed to adopt your 'hey, look over there' apologetics? How is this misrepresenting the results of the survey?

Good point FD. If we want to know about muslim attitudes towards apostasy - its definitely appropriate to focus on little tiny Malaysia to show how ghastly muslims are - and totally ignore the fact that overall most muslims around the world reject the Malaysian view - including the largest muslim country on earth.

Ask me again what cherry picking is FD.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49371 At my desk.	Re: The stifling dictatorial authority of the clerics Reply #20 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 10:21am The thread was about Malaysia Gandalf. Look at the OP. It is not cherry picking to talk about Malaysia in that context. Am I supposed to anticipate the efforts of Muslims at deflecting by posting about the slightly less head hacking interests of Indonesian Muslims compared to Malaysian Muslims?
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Reply #21 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 10:40am

The thread was about Malaysia because you made it about Malaysia.

Why did you make a thread about Malaysia to "represent" the views of muslims on apostasy - and not about Indonesia, or indeed the entire freaking muslim world?

Its difficult to imagine how any response to this question wouldn't involve at least alluding to cherry picking - but I'm sure you'll find a way FD.

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Reply #22 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 12:24pm

freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 7:05am:

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The survey included the results from the largest muslim country on earth - yet you never thought to mention them. Why is that?

I did mention them Gandalf. Just not in this thread.

Sorry, FD, are you saying you mentioned parts of the Pew Survey that did not include Malaysian Muslims in other threads?

I'm curious.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49371 At my desk.	Re: The stifling dictatorial authority of the clerics Reply #23 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:00pm Yes Karnal. Quote: The thread was about Malaysia because you made it about Malaysia. Check the OP Gandalf. You know where Kuala Lumpur is don't you? Hint: it's not Lone Pine. Quote: Why did you make a thread about Malaysia I did not start the thread Gandalf.
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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96412	Re: The stifling dictatorial authority of the clerics Reply #24 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:44pm freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:00pm: Yes Karnal. That's strange. Your Wiki doesn't have any other Pew Survey info in there. What did you post about Muslim opinions that didn't involve cute and cuddly Malaysia, FD? I'm curious.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49371 At my desk.	Re: The stifling dictatorial authority of the clerics Reply #25 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:58pm I'm sure it will be obvious from the context of the wiki article Karnal.
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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96412	Re: The stifling dictatorial authority of the clerics Reply #26 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 3:25pm freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:58pm: I'm sure it will be obvious from the context of the wiki article Karnal. But I can't find it, FD. Any chance you could quote the parts you're talking about? All I can find are references to cute and cuddly Malaysia.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: The stifling dictatorial authority of the clerics Reply #27 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 3:33pm freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:00pm: I did not start the thread Gandalf. really? or how about this one? Must be the other freediver
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Reply #28 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 3:35pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:44pm:

What did you post about Muslim opinions that didn't involve cute and cuddly Malaysia, FD?

Oh FD has a very fair and balanced assessment of Indonesia K...

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Gandalf often uses Indonesia as an example of a representative country, because it is the biggest Muslim country by population (207 million people, or 87% of the population). This is largely an accident of history - if Muslims had their way, most of them would live in one large Muslim empire, and most of the borders on Muslim countries were drawn up by foreign non-Muslims. Although not as extreme as Malaysia, some 72% (149 million people) of Indonesian Muslims support Shariah law. Of these, 48% (72 million people) support stoning people to death for adultery. That is, there are 72 million little Hitlers right on your doorstep. Of the rest, it is doubtful that many consider the issue to be none of the state's business.

Gotta love those totally sound and not the least bit prejudicial assumptions flying around there.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: The stifling dictatorial authority of the clerics
Reply #29 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 3:44pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 3:35pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:44pm:

What did you post about Muslim opinions that didn't involve cute and cuddly Malaysia, FD?

Oh FD has a very fair and balanced assessment of Indonesia K...

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Gandalf often uses Indonesia as an example of a representative country, because it is the biggest Muslim country by population (207 million people, or 87% of the population). This is largely an accident of history - if Muslims had their way, most of them would live in one large Muslim empire, and most of the borders on Muslim countries were drawn up by foreign non-Muslims. Although not as extreme as Malaysia, some 72% (149 million people) of Indonesian Muslims support Shariah law. Of these, 48% (72 million people) support stoning people to death for adultery. That is, there are 72 million little Hitlers right on your doorstep. Of the rest, it is doubtful that many consider the issue to be none of the state's business.

Gotta love those totally sound and not the least bit prejudicial assumptions flying around there.

Ah. You can't beat good, sound research.

Thanks, FD. You've done it again.

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