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Re: Islamic justification for Jew slaughtering
Reply #150 - Mar 9^th, 2017 at 9:26pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2017 at 12:22pm:

I'll take this hysterical outburst as FD conceding the point.

Hopefully you'll think more carefully before attempting to cite someone you've never bothered to actually read.

Gandalf, do you deny calling to execute gays who do it Mardi Gras-style? Supporting paedophilia and domestic violence? Sending stolen government funds to terrorists? Wanting to take away the freedoms of decent white people everywhere? Agreeing with Abu?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96954	Re: Islamic justification for Jew slaughtering Reply #151 - Mar 9^th, 2017 at 9:27pm No answer there, FD. Good old Muslim evasion, eh? Talk about taqiyya. Typical.
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Reply #152 - Mar 10^th, 2017 at 6:41am

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2017 at 6:40pm:

Gandalf do you deny claiming that the Jewish tribes were bound by the treaty of Medina?

probably. Who cares? Whether they were bound by the Medina treaty or a separate treaty doesn't make much difference.

The point is they were bound by a treaty, and they broke it - which is what Watt argues. Do you deny this?

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Reply #153 - Mar 10^th, 2017 at 6:42pm

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probably. Who cares?

I do. I am interested in why Muslims are so consistent in their lies about this particular episode.

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Whether they were bound by the Medina treaty or a separate treaty doesn't make much difference.

The terms of the treaty of Medina would make it very difficult for you to justify Muhammed's genocide. If it applied to the Jews, Muhammed violated the treaty quite openly. If you insist they were beholden to a treaty whose contents are unknown, it saves you the inconvenience of having to explain Muhammed's actions in light of the treaty, while you can tapdance around the absurdity of Jews who are hostile to Muhammed willingly signing up to a treaty that allows him to deny them freedom of religion, expel them and slaughter them.

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The point is they were bound by a treaty, and they broke it

You can only maintain this absurd position by running away every time it comes to the details. This is like saying the Jews of Germany violated some kind of implicit agreement they had with Hitler by plotting against him after he began slaughtering them.

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Reply #154 - Mar 10^th, 2017 at 7:28pm

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You can only maintain this absurd position by running away every time it comes to the details.

Come orn, Effendi....you take this pot/kettle way too far! Why have you not answered this......were you running away from the very detail you are asked to give me, an ignorant on the matter?

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Okay, let's break this down from the esoteric to the practical. It involves questions Effendi, your most favourite things to avoid.

What did the Treaty provide?

Who were the parties to it?

Did either party breach the provisions of the Treaty?

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This is like saying the Jews of Germany violated some kind of implicit agreement they had with Hitler by plotting against him after he began slaughtering them.

Whaaaaaaaat???? That gets the Godwin for 2107 so far.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Islamic justification for Jew slaughtering Reply #156 - Mar 10^th, 2017 at 7:31pm freediver wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 6:42pm: You can only maintain this absurd position by running away every time it comes to the details. Ah - I guess that would be the details you freely admit you don't know - and refuse to learn.
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Reply #157 - Mar 10^th, 2017 at 7:59pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 7:28pm:

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Come orn, Effendi....you take this pot/kettle way too far! Why have you not answered this......were you running away from the very detail you are asked to give me, an ignorant on the matter?

[quote]Okay, let's break this down from the esoteric to the practical. It involves questions Effendi, your most favourite things to avoid.

What did the Treaty provide?

Who were the parties to it?

Did either party breach the provisions of the Treaty?

The jews made a pact with $Profit Mo for defence.

A few thousand Meccan soldiers wanted $Profit Mo's ass for robbing the trade caravans that passed between Syria and Arabia, these Meccan soldiers packed up and went home after they couldn't get to $Profit Mo because of the jews.

$Profit Mo had the sky fairy tell him to kill the jews, all the jewish men with public hair and one woman had their heads chopped off, the remaining women and children were either married off to muslims or sold into slavery.

The Jews held up to their end of the treaty none of the Meccan soldiers could get to $Profit Mo so they went home after a lengthy siege.

Stick to driving taxis arsie you're out of your depth on this one.

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Reply #158 - Mar 10^th, 2017 at 8:22pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 7:59pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 7:28pm:

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Come orn, Effendi....you take this pot/kettle way too far! Why have you not answered this......were you running away from the very detail you are asked to give me, an ignorant on the matter?

[quote]Okay, let's break this down from the esoteric to the practical. It involves questions Effendi, your most favourite things to avoid.

What did the Treaty provide?

Who were the parties to it?

Did either party breach the provisions of the Treaty?

The jews made a pact with $Profit Mo for defence.

A few thousand Meccan soldiers wanted $Profit Mo's ass for robbing the trade caravans that passed between Syria and Arabia, these Meccan soldiers packed up and went home after they couldn't get to $Profit Mo because of the jews.

$Profit Mo had the sky fairy tell him to kill the jews, all the jewish men with public hair and one woman had their heads chopped off, the remaining women and children were either married off to muslims or sold into slavery.

The Jews held up to their end of the treaty none of the Meccan soldiers could get to $Profit Mo so they went home after a lengthy siege.

Stick to driving taxis arsie you're out of your depth on this one.

Great you have cleared that up with such clarity and also well referenced, Rort. Gee wizz, and thanks.

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Re: Islamic justification for Jew slaughtering
Reply #159 - Mar 10^th, 2017 at 9:12pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 7:59pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 7:28pm:

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Come orn, Effendi....you take this pot/kettle way too far! Why have you not answered this......were you running away from the very detail you are asked to give me, an ignorant on the matter?

[quote]Okay, let's break this down from the esoteric to the practical. It involves questions Effendi, your most favourite things to avoid.

What did the Treaty provide?

Who were the parties to it?

Did either party breach the provisions of the Treaty?

The jews made a pact with $Profit Mo for defence.

A few thousand Meccan soldiers wanted $Profit Mo's ass for robbing the trade caravans that passed between Syria and Arabia, these Meccan soldiers packed up and went home after they couldn't get to $Profit Mo because of the jews.

$Profit Mo had the sky fairy tell him to kill the jews, all the jewish men with public hair and one woman had their heads chopped off, the remaining women and children were either married off to muslims or sold into slavery.

The Jews held up to their end of the treaty none of the Meccan soldiers could get to $Profit Mo so they went home after a lengthy siege.

Stick to driving taxis arsie you're out of your depth on this one.

I swear I read that exact same post the other day.

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Re: Islamic justification for Jew slaughtering
Reply #160 - Mar 10^th, 2017 at 9:55pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 8:22pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 7:59pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 7:28pm:

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Come orn, Effendi....you take this pot/kettle way too far! Why have you not answered this......were you running away from the very detail you are asked to give me, an ignorant on the matter?

[quote]Okay, let's break this down from the esoteric to the practical. It involves questions Effendi, your most favourite things to avoid.

What did the Treaty provide?

Who were the parties to it?

Did either party breach the provisions of the Treaty?

The jews made a pact with $Profit Mo for defence.

A few thousand Meccan soldiers wanted $Profit Mo's ass for robbing the trade caravans that passed between Syria and Arabia, these Meccan soldiers packed up and went home after they couldn't get to $Profit Mo because of the jews.

$Profit Mo had the sky fairy tell him to kill the jews, all the jewish men with public hair and one woman had their heads chopped off, the remaining women and children were either married off to muslims or sold into slavery.

The Jews held up to their end of the treaty none of the Meccan soldiers could get to $Profit Mo so they went home after a lengthy siege.

Stick to driving taxis arsie you're out of your depth on this one.

Great you have cleared that up with such clarity and also well referenced, Rort. Gee wizz, and thanks.

From the first biography of $Profit Mo
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At noon of the same day Gabriel came to the apostle,wearing a silken turban and riding a mule saddled with brocade.He said, "hast thou put away thy arms,apostle of Allah?'He replied 'Yes"and Gabriel said, 'But the angels have not yet put away theirs.I have come here to call the people to follow the command of Allah and march against the Banu Qurayza"

The Meccan soldiers went home there was no battle, $Profit Mo didn't have a problem with the jews until the sky fairy told him to pick up his arms and whack the filthy yahud (jews).

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38880 Gender:	Re: Islamic justification for Jew slaughtering Reply #161 - Mar 10^th, 2017 at 10:21pm Yeas....yev gotta be very careful what those sky fairies tell you, and make sure you have your virgin wife locked away too. There's one of them around with a nasty history of sneaking in while you are out making an honest carpentry shekel.
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Reply #162 - Mar 11^th, 2017 at 8:53am

freediver wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

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A reference to Watt saying he believed they had a treaty

What reference? This is what you have presented so far Gandalf:

They seem to have had a treaty with Muhammad, but it is not clear whether they were expected...

Watt also rejects the existence of such a special agreement but notes that the Jews were bound by the aforementioned general agreement

Gandalf can you imagine the Jews signing up for a treaty that permits Muhammed to demand they acknowledge him as their prophet and threaten them with violence if they don't?

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 10:31am:

Nope.
They were all given the opportunity to disown the betrayal and repledge their loyalty to their city.

What is this about Gandalf? More lies from Muslims to excuse genocide?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

The rest of them had the opportunity to disown their treachery. They declined. So tough titties- off with their heads.

What form did this opportunity take Gandalf?

Oh look a previous example of Gandalf dodging this point:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 14^th, 2015 at 6:27pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 14^th, 2015 at 5:37pm:

Can you quote the relevant bit, or does it only make sense if I read the whole biography?

nah that would require me going to the trouble of finding it and then finding the relevant part. You are just as capable as me of doing that FD. Its also in the Sealed Nectar - but I recall you poo-pooing that as a source last time I mentioned it.

Its really up to you FD - you can believe me or not - and if not its up to you if you want to go through the source yourself.

Good luck!

If I google this Gandalf: Ibn Ishaq biography banu qurayza disown their treachery

I get this forum and your claims coming up on the first page of results, but nothing else to back it up.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2014 at 11:25am:

To be POWs, the Qurayza would had to have openly renegged on the treaty they had with Muhammad, and declared their sessession from the Medinan state they were then part of.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 6:38am:

They obviously could not be trusted to remain under the treaty of Medina, or be left free to leave and join forces with the enemy like the Banu Nadir. So off with your heads traitors. Boo hoo.

Gandalf, would it be fair to describe this as a Muslim lying about whether the tribe was bound by the treaty of Medina? Why do Muslims lie about this so consistently?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 8^th, 2013 at 10:11pm:

The Banu Qurayza men who were executed were not a small number of perpetrators in amongst a majority of innocents - they all picked up arms against the muslims - in violation of their treaty.

Gandalf how do you know they all "picked up arms"?

Gandalf would it be fair to say that you lied about all those people taking up arms against Muslims in order to justify genocide?

And you lied when you claimed that the Jews were bound by the treaty of Medina?

And that when you realised you were wrong you sent me on a wild goose chase to find your evidence for you then changed tactic to deny the genocide even occurred?

And that you tried to pass of another example of forced conversion by Muhammed as Muhammed generously giving them an opportunity to "disown their treachery" in order to escape punishment?

Why are Muslims so consistent in their lies about this incident?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Islamic justification for Jew slaughtering Reply #163 - Mar 11^th, 2017 at 10:00am freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 8:53am: And you lied when you claimed that the Jews were bound by the treaty of Medina? No. As far as I know they were. But do keep lecturing me on those "details" you previously admitted you don't know.
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Reply #164 - Mar 11^th, 2017 at 2:25pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 10:00am:

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 8:53am:

And you lied when you claimed that the Jews were bound by the treaty of Medina?

No. As far as I know they were.

But do keep lecturing me on those "details" you previously admitted you don't know.

Where do Muslims get this from Gandalf?

This is from Watt, Islam and the Integration of Society:

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