freediver wrote on Mar 19
th, 2017 at 10:33am:
Gandalf, here is a list of claims made by you that were not made by Watt:
Right, so I see you're quietly dropping all those accusations that I lied about what Watt had claimed. Here we have a feeble attempt to subtly change the charge against me from "stuff gandalf made up about Watt" to "stuff gandalf claimed that isn't supported by Watt".
But sorry to say FD, I'm not forgetting those outrageous accusations you made saying that I lied about what Watt said - especially...
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2. Montgommery Watt says the treaty was concluded in the early Medinan period
Gandalf I have explained to you already that this is a lie. You have even conceded it is incorrect. Watt said nothing of the sort. He merely suggested the possibility of an earlier treaty existing, or a completely different treaty.
and here's Watt apparently "saying nothing of the sort"...
Quote:Montgomery Watt states that the charter must have been written in the early Medinan period. He supports his view by arguing that had the document been drafted later, it would have had a favorable attitude towards Quraysh, and given Muhammad a prominent place
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Medinaand then...
Quote: You and every other Muslim here told an elaborate lie about the Jews being bound by the treaty of Medina
an 'elaborate lie' that even Watt has bought into...
Quote:Watt holds that the Qurayza and Nadir were probably mentioned in an earlier version of the Constitution requiring the parties not to support an enemy against each other.
And Watt's actual words justifying the treatment of the Qurayza on the grounds they had been treasonous...
Quote:Muhammad issued a fresh summons to the
Muslims just as they were beginning to relax. They were to
meet him before evening in front of the strongholds of the
Jewish clan of Qurayzah, The Muslims responded to the
summons and a siege was instituted which lasted twenty-five
days. The reason, of course, was that, while the outward
acts of the clan had been correct, they had been intriguing
with Muhammad's enemies and at one point had been on the
verge of attacking Muhammad in his rear. They had thus
been guilty of treasonable activities against the Medinan community.
Such a sentiment FD believes is simply an elaborate lie concocted by sinister muslims.