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Aussie Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 38881 Gender:	Re: Islamic justification for Jew slaughtering Reply #285 - Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 9:34pm freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 9:29pm: Were the Jews of Medina party to the actual treaty of Medina as we know it today? Exactly how do we KNOW what it was, today, Effendi...even if it ever existed? Have you found some eyewitnesses at last?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Islamic justification for Jew slaughtering Reply #286 - Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 9:40pm freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 9:29pm: Were the Jews of Medina party to the actual treaty of Medina as we know it today? According to Watt - "probably". Is this me " having the content of the other treaty"?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49581 At my desk.	Re: Islamic justification for Jew slaughtering Reply #287 - Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 10:33pm That is not what Watt is saying. The version we have today lists who the parties are.
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Reply #288 - Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 10:49pm

Watt is talking about different versions of the same actual treaty. You can split hairs if you like, but don't forget it was you who recently claimed that Watt referred to completely separate treaties - which is plainly wrong.

Anyway, where did I claim to have "the content" of the other treaty?

It is important to me that we clear up all these alleged "lies" of mine, one by one.

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Reply #289 - Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 8:12am

Do Muslims often change the terms of a peace agreement after it has been agreed to (or in Muhammad's case, imposed on people) and then insist it is actually the same agreement?

Gandalf, when you made the following posts, were you aware that you were justifying Muhammad's genocide based on a treaty whose contents you cannot know?

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 12:13pm:

Don't deflect FD - how can you explain your previous claim that Muhammad definitely broke a treaty which you now admit you don't know the terms of?

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 11:20am:

You don't even know the terms of the treaty, but you are perfectly happy to claim with certainty that Muhammad broke them. Cheesy

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 11:11pm:

No. Apologise and feel silly for thinking that Muhammad was somehow bound by a treaty that had already been broken - and not by him.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49581 At my desk.	Re: Islamic justification for Jew slaughtering Reply #290 - Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 12:36pm Aussie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 12:48pm: How about you allow him to present his story without the constant carping and verballing? Aussie are you suggesting it is a bad thing to question people who promote genocide on this forum?
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Reply #292 - Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 5:51pm

freediver wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 8:12am:

Do Muslims often change the terms of a peace agreement after it has been agreed to (or in Muhammad's case, imposed on people) and then insist it is actually the same agreement?

Gandalf, when you made the following posts, were you aware that you were justifying Muhammad's genocide based on a treaty whose contents you cannot know?

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 12:13pm:

Don't deflect FD - how can you explain your previous claim that Muhammad definitely broke a treaty which you now admit you don't know the terms of?

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 11:20am:

You don't even know the terms of the treaty, but you are perfectly happy to claim with certainty that Muhammad broke them. Cheesy

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 11:11pm:

No. Apologise and feel silly for thinking that Muhammad was somehow bound by a treaty that had already been broken - and not by him.

Are you trying to answer my question, or are you deflecting FD? If its an attempted answer, its a very bad one.

Try again, where did I claim to have "the content" of the other treaty?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #293 - Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 6:04pm

Here you go Gandalf. You made this claim a few posts back.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 9:40pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 9:29pm:

Were the Jews of Medina party to the actual treaty of Medina as we know it today?

According to Watt - "probably".

Is this me " having the content of the other treaty"?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Islamic justification for Jew slaughtering Reply #294 - Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 6:17pm
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Aussie Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 38881 Gender:	Re: Islamic justification for Jew slaughtering Reply #295 - Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 6:19pm polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 6:17pm: Jayzuz....talk about shooting yourself in the foot! Effendi, what were you thinking?????
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Islamic justification for Jew slaughtering Reply #296 - Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 6:21pm soooo... apparently what we have here is - simply citing the historian Montgommery Watt saying the Qurayza were probably in the treaty - is me "pretending to have the content of the other treaty" Could you confirm that FD?
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Reply #297 - Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 6:25pm

Gandalf are you saying that when you criticised me for not knowing the contents of the treaty, you were at the same time using a treaty whose contents you did not know to justify Muhammad's genocide?

Is that why it is so funny?

Is that why you cannot possibly explain what your position is and was, and I must instead go searching years back for quotes of all the absurd and implausible things you have said?

You cannot even figure out which claim of mine you are denying.

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Reply #298 - Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 6:26pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 6:21pm:

soooo... apparently what we have here is - simply citing the historian Montgommery Watt saying the Qurayza were probably in the treaty - is me "pretending to have the content of the other treaty"

Could you confirm that FD?

OK Gandalf, give us your honest opinion then, instead of lying about what other historians think.

Were the three large Jewish tribes of Medina party to the actual treaty of Medina as we know it today?

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Reply #299 - Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 7:09pm

freediver wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 6:26pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 6:21pm:

soooo... apparently what we have here is - simply citing the historian Montgommery Watt saying the Qurayza were probably in the treaty - is me "pretending to have the content of the other treaty"

Could you confirm that FD?

OK Gandalf, give us your honest opinion then, instead of lying about what other historians think.

Were the three large Jewish tribes of Medina party to the actual treaty of Medina as we know it today?

No, Effendi. You have dug your own hole well and truly, and moving goal posts with defective questions will not work.

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