polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 8:27pm:


The only meme I see here Gandalf is the usual obfuscation and avoidance of the issue.
The fact that you profess to be disgusted and would string the person up yourself is not really relevant to the issue.
The issue is, why is it that these incidents continue to occur involving Islamic communities? One is left with the conclusion that the attitudes that give rise to the behaviour are directly given by the teaching of the religion.
You tell me that none of these attitudes, such as to women, form part of the scripture of the religion but it seems to me they are being imposed on muslims everywhere still, even here today, they will be passed on as the teachings of Islam.

My conclusion is that it is incumbent upon professed muslims living in western liberal democracies to deny that these elements of sharia law or cultural customs have any place in their beliefs or lives.
I understand this may require some courage.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 12^th, 2015 at 4:36pm:


You? But you’re not Abu.

Two questions, Bogard.

1. Are you asking about what "Islam" as in the religion of today, represented by all Muslims, have to say on this issue?

How do you collect the opinion of a majority of Muslims from around the world?  Particularly considering how difficult it would be in say Afghanistan, NW Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Niger, Northern Nigeria and elsewhere where conflict is?

2.  Are you asking about what "Islam" says theocratically or practically?

Are you asking what the Koran and Hadiths say about it, what the Muslim theocrats say or what the lay person of Islam says?

I'm genuinely interested...   

|dev|null wrote on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:


Let me say, I'm not looking to be that analytical.

I see what I see from news reports all round the world. All colours of media.
And what I see are incidents like the above coming up time & time again. And I hear people, like Gandalf, tell me this is not what Islam is about.

And I ask myself, how can that be true if so many professed supporters & believers in Islam act and behave in a way that is absolute anathema to western culture, or indeed to any idea of civilisation at all.

And I further ask myself, and those around me, and the population at large, do you want to expose yourself to the risk of having a significant population of such people in your midst?

And I answer, no way, absolutely not!

freediver wrote on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 1:09pm:


But only on a sample FD.  I asked for views of the majority of Muslims.  Two very different things as you well know, if you were honest about them.   

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 1:56pm:


Oh really bogarde? Thats funny because you only just finished lecturing me about how the problem is all about me *NOT* pointing this out.

Are you saying its a different problem now?

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 3:54pm:


straight answer about what bogarde?

I made it clear it is *NOT* part of Islam, it is silly backward cultural stuff.

Exactly what wasn't I straight about? Be honest please.