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Re: Can you support atrocities and human rights?
Reply #165 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 11:06am

Soren wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 7:05pm:

Well, unless they win or they are all killed, none. But they are not going to win and they will not all be killed.

Pick up the thread from there Gandy. Are the scales going to fall from their eyes when ISIS is beaten? No. Are they going to jump off a cliff? No.

They are going to continue the fight elsewhere - in countries that let them in after they are scattered.

They are not going to win, but neither will they be defeated. Jihadists will be fighting for their Islamic state in Syria and Iraq for the foreseeable future. There will be no shortage of fighting for them to do there.

And they have already proven their intentions by opting to go and fight for the caliphate on the other side of the world - and *NOT* stay at home and become a sleeper terrorist cell. That is their dream, and that is where they will stay until they are killed. And contrary to what FD repeats every day, they are not motivated to go raping and pillaging - ISIS recruitment lures them in using good old fashioned "fight the oppressors" propaganda. Look at their videos for yourself - they are about the evil Syrian and western forces slaughtering innocents in the Islamic State - come and defend them! So they go - and the first thing they do is burn their western passports.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Can you support atrocities and human rights? Reply #166 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 5:31pm Yet they continually call on muslims in their safe, civilized, western havens to kill non muslims. muslims are the present day, real time, threat to 21st century civilization
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Re: Can you support atrocities and human rights?
Reply #167 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 10:18am

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 11:06am:

Soren wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 7:05pm:

Well, unless they win or they are all killed, none. But they are not going to win and they will not all be killed.

Pick up the thread from there Gandy. Are the scales going to fall from their eyes when ISIS is beaten? No. Are they going to jump off a cliff? No.

They are going to continue the fight elsewhere - in countries that let them in after they are scattered.

They are not going to win, but neither will they be defeated. Jihadists will be fighting for their Islamic state in Syria and Iraq for the foreseeable future. There will be no shortage of fighting for them to do there.

And they have already proven their intentions by opting to go and fight for the caliphate on the other side of the world - and *NOT* stay at home and become a sleeper terrorist cell. That is their dream, and that is where they will stay until they are killed. And contrary to what FD repeats every day, they are not motivated to go raping and pillaging - ISIS recruitment lures them in using good old fashioned "fight the oppressors" propaganda. Look at their videos for yourself - they are about the evil Syrian and western forces slaughtering innocents in the Islamic State - come and defend them! So they go - and the first thing they do is burn their western passports.

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Re: Can you support atrocities and human rights?
Reply #168 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 10:30am

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 8:22pm:

I take it you genuinely believe America invaded Iraq with every intention of flowering the Iraqi people with democracy and freedom.

There were no combat deaths for about 2 weeks after the Saddam statues were torn down.

When Abu Musab al Zarqawi the founder of the Islamic state started bombing the red cross and the UN the place started turning to poo.

The Kurds embraced the democracy brought to the region, no coalition soldiers were killed in Kurdish parts of Iraq, the Kurds greeted the USA by waving home made USA flags and singing the star spangled banner.

The sunni vs shia sectarian strife did not happen in the Kurdish parts of Iraq

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Re: Can you support atrocities and human rights?
Reply #169 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 11:44am

Soren wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

#ISIS child trained to behead Teddy bear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeTeqbUobp0

Yeah, but that is obviously a filthy stinking infidel Teddy bear.

So it deserves to,

DIE TEDDY DIE

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Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

ISLAM = = ---------- >

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

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Just remember, all of you infidels!!!!! ....there are no innocent infidel Teddy bears!!!!

Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW, TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

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YT

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."

"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

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The example of an 'Aussie' moslem community leader,

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Use children as troops, says cleric
January 18, 2007
SYDNEY'S most influential radical Muslim cleric has been caught on film calling Jews pigs and urging children to die for Allah.
Firebrand Sheik Feiz Mohammed, head of the Global Islamic Youth Centre in Liverpool [Australia], delivered the hateful rants on a collection of DVDs called the Death Series being sold in Australia and overseas.
.........Sheik Feiz says in the video.

"We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam.

Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior).

Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom."

An Australian citizen born in Sydney who has spent the past year living in Lebanon, Sheik Feiz was exposed this week in a British documentary Undercover Mosque.
......"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad," he declares in the film, before denouncing "kaffirs" (non-Muslims).

"Kaffir is the worst word ever written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt."

......Sheik Feiz - who just two weeks ago said he felt like an "alien" in his own country - leads about 4000 followers through his Global Islamic Youth Centre in Sydney's southwest.
He also accused Australian authorities of being over-zealous in their approach to clerics like him.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21074839-2,00.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014863.php

Google;

jihad is the pinnacle of islam

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'Aussie' EX-moslem, Mohamed Elomar, in Syria/Iraq.

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'Whosoever dies without participating in an expedition (jihad) nor having the intention to do so, dies on a branch of hypocrisy,'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2632768/Brisbane-woman-charged-supportin...
- Australian EX-moslem, Mohamed Elomar, quoting ISLAMIC scripture

Google;
"Allah's Messenger said" "Whosoever dies without participating"

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Can you support atrocities and human rights? Reply #170 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 11:54am Yes but what do you think Yadda
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Re: Can you support atrocities and human rights?
Reply #171 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 12:04pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 11:54am:

Yes but what do you think Yadda

Bojack Horseman,

This is what i think;
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1434160480/35#35

and this;
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1434160480/0#0

Is that enough for you to be getting on with ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Can you support atrocities and human rights?
Reply #172 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 1:25pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 10:30am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 8:22pm:

I take it you genuinely believe America invaded Iraq with every intention of flowering the Iraqi people with democracy and freedom.

There were no combat deaths for about 2 weeks after the Saddam statues were torn down.

When Abu Musab al Zarqawi the founder of the Islamic state started bombing the red cross and the UN the place started turning to poo.

The Kurds embraced the democracy brought to the region, no coalition soldiers were killed in Kurdish parts of Iraq, the Kurds greeted the USA by waving home made USA flags and singing the star spangled banner.

The sunni vs shia sectarian strife did not happen in the Kurdish parts of Iraq

Baron, I have no doubt that in that cute little head of yours there's a point being made.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #173 - Aug 26^th, 2015 at 5:01pm

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Thats certainly part of your problem. For a reasonably intelligent person you are shockingly ignorant of most of these subject matters.

I have asked you several times already to elaborate on this claim Gandalf. If you don't know what your talking about, just admit it.

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Instead you just pose incriminating questions to other people in order to tease out the "right" information for ingenious gotcha moments.

You accused me of using fake morals and faux threats. It is hardly a devious trick to ask you what you mean by this. If you keep this up I might start to suspect you of deflecting.

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And they have already proven their intentions by opting to go and fight for the caliphate on the other side of the world - and *NOT* stay at home and become a sleeper terrorist cell.

Is this supposed to be reassuring Gandalf?

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And contrary to what FD repeats every day, they are not motivated to go raping and pillaging - ISIS recruitment lures them in using good old fashioned "fight the oppressors" propaganda.

Can you quote me saying what their motivation is? It should not be a problem, seeing as I say it every day.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96416	Re: Can you support atrocities and human rights? Reply #174 - Aug 26^th, 2015 at 11:19pm FD, are you the standard bearer of wishy washy Western morals? If you keep ignoring this question, we’ll suspect you of evasion.
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Re: Can you support atrocities and human rights?
Reply #175 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:09am

freediver wrote on Aug 26^th, 2015 at 5:01pm:

I have asked you several times already to elaborate on this claim Gandalf. If you don't know what your talking about, just admit it.

I guess this is your way of not creating tangent topics that you will have to splinter off into separate threads - no? And I'm sure you wouldn't dream of once again accusing me of taking the thread off topic.

That the Bremer regime tried to stifle democracy is a matter of public record. Not even the right seriously disputes it. Suggest you read up on his 96 edicts and suppression of peaceful demonstrations and disbanding of local grassroots committees.

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You accused me of using fake morals and faux threats. It is hardly a devious trick to ask you what you mean by this. If you keep this up I might start to suspect you of deflecting.

You're right FD - refusing to inform yourself with available information is not devious, nor is perpetuating uninformed BS thinking that it is truth. There are other ways to describe that.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Can you support atrocities and human rights?
Reply #176 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 9:07am

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:09am:

freediver wrote on Aug 26^th, 2015 at 5:01pm:

I have asked you several times already to elaborate on this claim Gandalf. If you don't know what your talking about, just admit it.

I guess this is your way of not creating tangent topics that you will have to splinter off into separate threads - no? And I'm sure you wouldn't dream of once again accusing me of taking the thread off topic.

That the Bremer regime tried to stifle democracy is a matter of public record. Not even the right seriously disputes it. Suggest you read up on his 96 edicts and suppression of peaceful demonstrations and disbanding of local grassroots committees.

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You accused me of using fake morals and faux threats. It is hardly a devious trick to ask you what you mean by this. If you keep this up I might start to suspect you of deflecting.

You're right FD - refusing to inform yourself with available information is not devious, nor is perpetuating uninformed BS thinking that it is truth. There are other ways to describe that.

G, do you think this makes FD the standard bearer of wishy washy Western morals?

FD won’t say.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Can you support atrocities and human rights? Reply #177 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 10:18am FD is the standard bearer of wishy washy western morals. He just won't call it that. He actually thinks they are universal. Adorable isn't it?
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Reply #179 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 3:24pm

Gandalf, what are these faux threats and fake morals you accuse me of? Can you explain how the actions of the Bremer regime reflects either faux threats or fake morals on my part? Why do you keep offering to give me the "benefit of the doubt" without even explaining what you accuse me of? How do the actions of unidentified "western leaders" relate to my use of fake morals and faux threats?

Can you elaborate on this vision of yourself as the standard bearer for modern western liberal morals? Is there any particular reason why you use the term morals rather than values.

Can you explain how insisting that Malaysian Muslims did not really mean what they said is different from calling their sincerity into question?

Can you quote any of these Aussie jihadis promising to die and not come back to Australia?

If I declare every day what the motive of those Aussie jihadis is, why are you finding it so difficult to quote me?

This is the trail of backpedaling you leave in a single thread - ironically enough in a thread about your claims to sincerity. Perhaps you should give us some reasons to take you seriously.

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I guess this is your way of not creating tangent topics that you will have to splinter off into separate threads - no? And I'm sure you wouldn't dream of once again accusing me of taking the thread off topic.

Start a new thread then Gandalf. Or just admit you made it all up. If it really is as simple as you say, why put so much effort into justifying your evasion?

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That the Bremer regime tried to stifle democracy is a matter of public record.

You won't have any trouble backing yourself up then, will you Gandalf?

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You're right FD - refusing to inform yourself with available information is not devious, nor is perpetuating uninformed BS thinking that it is truth.

What BS? Are you accusing me of being insincere when I express my skepticism that the US did not intend to do what they did in Iraq?

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FD is the standard bearer of wishy washy western morals. He just won't call it that. He actually thinks they are universal. Adorable isn't it?

What are these wishy washy western morals you accuse me of Gandalf, at the same time as demanding we accept your sincerity in being the standard bearer for them?

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