polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 1^st, 2015 at 11:35pm:


Where did you identify them? Can you give a link? This little delusion of you being the standard bearer for western liberal morals is news to me, and I expect everyone else.

Would you say that what we see here is typical of Muslims who claim to share our values, or who try to create the impression that they do?

No offence. Bewilderment. Link please.

Or you could just say what these morals are that you have suddenly decided to be the standard bearer for.

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 9:24pm:


I’ll ask again. What are the morals you don’t want G to share with us?

Will you tell us now, FD?

We’re curious.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2015 at 7:41am:


You're right, I should have used that.

FD, do you see yourself as the standard bearer of modern Western liberal values?

You haven't said.

freediver wrote on Sep 4^th, 2015 at 10:05pm:


That’s what I asked you, FD. Why don’t you want to answer?

freediver wrote on Sep 4^th, 2015 at 10:05pm:


"standard bearer" isn't the term I use to describe myself.

And whose flag waving? Not me. You're a pretty good candidate though FD - with all those stirring lectures about freeeedom over the years. Does something like having a "use it or lose it" Charlie Hebdo tribute on your home page make you a 'flag waver' for freeeedom do you think?

Would you describe yourself as a 'flag waver' or even 'standard bearer' of western values? Or is it a term that is strictly to be used sarcastically to mock people like me who dare criticise fake morals? Like I said, you clearly like to use it as an insult.

freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2015 at 8:29pm:


Answer the question. please. Are you, or have you ever been, a standard bearer of wishy-washy Western morals?

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I am not going to complain too loudly if you do. My take on it is this - I support liberty, democracy and humanity. I believe I share this in common with most people around the world. I believe most people who live in stable democracies take these things for granted rather than actively supporting them and I would put myself in that basket until recently. When I started this site I was getting kicked off the fishing forums. While the intent was definitely anti-freedom, the practice was not, and I often find myself explaining this concept to people here. Being able to start my own website because I was not happy with the conduct of other site owners is a demonstration of the freedom of speech I already had. It was a protest in support of marine parks, carbon taxes etc, not a protest in support of freedom, and it did not occur to me to turn it into one. Even my electoral reform articles are not intended to promote democracy. It was also not that long ago that you conceded to me that there was nothing you are not allowed to say in Australia. We were both unaware of the holocaust denial laws. I would consider it arrogant to apply that label to myself.

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Lets start with western liberal morals. What do you mean by that? So far my assumption is that you made it all up on the spot and it is meaningless waffle, made all the more ironic by your demands that we appreciate your sincerity and your rejection of my debating style for getting too detailed. I have no idea why you think I am getting hung up on the meaning of standard bearer. It is your lack of meaning I have been asking about.