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Reply #121 - Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 12:42pm

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[quote author=tickleandrose link=1439935575/116#116 date=1442882236]Afghanistan - we bombed the hell out of them, now the country is in chaos except in the capital.
Iraq - we bombed the hell out of them, now the country is in chaos, except in the capital.
Syria - we are bombing the hell out of them, and now no where in the country is safe.
Libya - we bomibed the hell of them, and now the entire country is in chaos.

Hmm, I wonder if there is a connection....

Indeed. But where do sub-Saharan "refugees" fit in?

Libya.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/refugee-crisis-in-niger-sub-saharan-africans-risk-everything-to-flee-libya-a-760280.html

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Reply #122 - Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 12:51pm

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 10:37am:

Afghanistan - we bombed the hell out of them, now the country is in chaos except in the capital.
Iraq - we bombed the hell out of them, now the country is in chaos, except in the capital.
Syria - we are bombing the hell out of them, and now no where in the country is safe.
Libya - we bomibed the hell of them, and now the entire country is in chaos.

Hmm, I wonder if there is a connection....

Obviously they should have used more bombs.

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Reply #123 - Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 1:23pm

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 10:37am:

Afghanistan - we bombed the hell out of them, now the country is in chaos except in the capital.
Iraq - we bombed the hell out of them, now the country is in chaos, except in the capital.
Syria - we are bombing the hell out of them, and now no where in the country is safe.
Libya - we bomibed the hell of them, and now the entire country is in chaos.

Hmm, I wonder if there is a connection....

We bombed the hell out of Vietnam over a period of several years. Troops on the ground as well. Napalm too.

But now the entire country is a thriving South East Asian tourist destination.

Now Tickle - be honest - what is the ONE most outstanding cultural difference between your list of Gone to Hell Middle Eastern basket-case countries - and that of Vietnam ...?

What is the most salient cultural factor that has been militating against the political health of your list of Middle Eastern countries - as against that of Vietnam's prosperous and peaceful existence after having been bombed back to the Stone Age?

I just KNOW gandalf is BUSTING to answer this one .......

Back behind the line gandalf! Wait your turn. i

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Reply #124 - Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 1:31pm

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 12:42pm:

... wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 11:48am:

[quote author=tickleandrose link=1439935575/116#116 date=1442882236]Afghanistan - we bombed the hell out of them, now the country is in chaos except in the capital.
Iraq - we bombed the hell out of them, now the country is in chaos, except in the capital.
Syria - we are bombing the hell out of them, and now no where in the country is safe.
Libya - we bomibed the hell of them, and now the entire country is in chaos.

Hmm, I wonder if there is a connection....

Indeed. But where do sub-Saharan "refugees" fit in?

Libya.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/refugee-crisis-in-niger-sub-saharan-africans-risk-everything-to-flee-libya-a-760280.html

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Originally from Niger, Nigeria, Chad or Burkina Faso, they had moved north in search of better fortunes in the country of Moammar Gadhafi. They had worked in Libya, and many of them had hoped to brave the passage to the Italian island of Lampedusa, located just off the African coast, and make it into the European Union.

So they are not refugees - they are opportunistic invaders.

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Reply #126 - Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 2:34pm

... wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 1:31pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 12:42pm:

... wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 11:48am:

[quote author=tickleandrose link=1439935575/116#116 date=1442882236]Afghanistan - we bombed the hell out of them, now the country is in chaos except in the capital.
Iraq - we bombed the hell out of them, now the country is in chaos, except in the capital.
Syria - we are bombing the hell out of them, and now no where in the country is safe.
Libya - we bomibed the hell of them, and now the entire country is in chaos.

Hmm, I wonder if there is a connection....

Indeed. But where do sub-Saharan "refugees" fit in?

Libya.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/refugee-crisis-in-niger-sub-saharan-africans-risk-everything-to-flee-libya-a-760280.html

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Originally from Niger, Nigeria, Chad or Burkina Faso, they had moved north in search of better fortunes in the country of Moammar Gadhafi. They had worked in Libya, and many of them had hoped to brave the passage to the Italian island of Lampedusa, located just off the African coast, and make it into the European Union.

So they are not refugees - they are opportunistic invaders.

They were in Libya, working. And now, we bombed Libya, and the whole place descend into chaos. So naturally, they move to safer habour. Its not rocket science.

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Reply #127 - Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 2:34pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 12:51pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 10:37am:

Afghanistan - we bombed the hell out of them, now the country is in chaos except in the capital.
Iraq - we bombed the hell out of them, now the country is in chaos, except in the capital.
Syria - we are bombing the hell out of them, and now no where in the country is safe.
Libya - we bomibed the hell of them, and now the entire country is in chaos.

Hmm, I wonder if there is a connection....

Obviously they should have used more bombs.

then, the refugees will double again.

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Reply #128 - Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 2:42pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 1:23pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 10:37am:

Afghanistan - we bombed the hell out of them, now the country is in chaos except in the capital.
Iraq - we bombed the hell out of them, now the country is in chaos, except in the capital.
Syria - we are bombing the hell out of them, and now no where in the country is safe.
Libya - we bomibed the hell of them, and now the entire country is in chaos.

Hmm, I wonder if there is a connection....

We bombed the hell out of Vietnam over a period of several years. Troops on the ground as well. Napalm too.

But now the entire country is a thriving South East Asian tourist destination.

Now Tickle - be honest - what is the ONE most outstanding cultural difference between your list of Gone to Hell Middle Eastern basket-case countries - and that of Vietnam ...?

What is the most salient cultural factor that has been militating against the political health of your list of Middle Eastern countries - as against that of Vietnam's prosperous and peaceful existence after having been bombed back to the Stone Age?

I just KNOW gandalf is BUSTING to answer this one .......

Back behind the line gandalf! Wait your turn.

Well, for a start, there is a few differences:
1) When the war had just finished, we had the same problem with refugees from Vietnam, and Cambodia. It took a global response to resolve it.
2) Vietnam war ended in 1975 - 40 years had passed. Our old enemies - Vietnam and China had since become our important trading partners.
3) We are still bombing the crap out of Syria, and Iraq.
4. We are still in the process of toppling Syria government, and bombing ISIL opposition - talk about complications.
5) Libya is in the state of chaos.

I just do not see any ending to this refugee crisis. It will threaten the geo political stability of the Eurozone and middle East, as well as that of Russia. This may well be the trigger for second Cold War and war by proxy. You talked about history. If history is of any relevance, then its that putting more bombs into an area, will just make things worse regardless of the culture or religion.

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Reply #129 - Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 2:50pm

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 2:34pm:

... wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 1:31pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 12:42pm:

... wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 11:48am:

[quote author=tickleandrose link=1439935575/116#116 date=1442882236]Afghanistan - we bombed the hell out of them, now the country is in chaos except in the capital.
Iraq - we bombed the hell out of them, now the country is in chaos, except in the capital.
Syria - we are bombing the hell out of them, and now no where in the country is safe.
Libya - we bomibed the hell of them, and now the entire country is in chaos.

Hmm, I wonder if there is a connection....

Indeed. But where do sub-Saharan "refugees" fit in?

Libya.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/refugee-crisis-in-niger-sub-saharan-africans-risk-everything-to-flee-libya-a-760280.html

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Originally from Niger, Nigeria, Chad or Burkina Faso, they had moved north in search of better fortunes in the country of Moammar Gadhafi. They had worked in Libya, and many of them had hoped to brave the passage to the Italian island of Lampedusa, located just off the African coast, and make it into the European Union.

So they are not refugees - they are opportunistic invaders.

They were in Libya, working. And now, we bombed Libya, and the whole place descend into chaos. So naturally, they move to safer habour. Its not rocket science.

Fair dinkum, just a few sentences but so much wrong.

Some came to work, it is a shame they were working as Mercenaries
Many came to Libya with the express purpose of moving onto Europe. It's not that they are fleeing Libya, it is that Libya is no longer preventing them from invading Europe.
We didn't bomb Libya.
The article is 4 years old, why the delay in seeking "refuge?"

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Gaddafi, back in 2011, said that if Libya was taken over, a huge refugee crisis would happen and Europe would be flooded with Africans and terrorists.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b74_1441892689&comments=1#OcVKxS1e3jkMf1wJ.99

Gaddafi: Europe will 'turn black' unless EU pays Libya £4bn a year

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Col Muammar Gaddafi has warned that Europe runs the risk of turning "black" unless the EU pays Libya at least €5 billion (£4.1 billion) a year to block the arrival of illegal immigrants from Africa.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/7973649/Gad...

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Reply #130 - Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 3:08pm

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Well, it seemed like Gaddafi was right about that. But African refugee through the Mid sea is not a huge problem on its own. What is making the news now, is the combination of African refugees from Libya, AND those from Syria, Afghanistan is the problem.

As to why its an issue now, e.g. 4 year delay. Soon after Libya's formal goverment was toppled, there was hope both from its people and the West of a new stable government.

Elections for a General National Congress were held in July 2012, the country's first free national election in six decades. The congress appointed a prime minister, Ali Zeidan, in October, who formed an interim government tasked with preparing the ground for a new constitution and fresh parliamentary elections.

However, tensions between nationalists and Islamists have stymied attempts to produce a stable government, and in 2014 the country was riven by fighting between rival militias. Central government collapsed, and the United Nations has struggled to bring political factions together.

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Reply #131 - Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 3:23pm

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 3:08pm:

But African refugee through the Mid sea is not a huge problem on its own. What is making the news now, is the combination of African refugees from Libya, AND those from Syria, Afghanistan is the problem.

And yet the mainstream media wants to group them all together as "Syrians", while doing their best to focus on the few women and children in the hordes of young men. They wouldn't be so deceptive, unless they needed to be.

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Reply #132 - Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 3:30pm

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tickleandrose wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 3:08pm:

But African refugee through the Mid sea is not a huge problem on its own. What is making the news now, is the combination of African refugees from Libya, AND those from Syria, Afghanistan is the problem.

And yet the mainstream media wants to group them all together as "Syrians", while doing their best to focus on the few women and children in the hordes of young men. They wouldn't be so deceptive, unless they needed to be.

I think the media is referring to the refugee that recently arrived in Hungary and Croatia, which are mainly Syrians. As to the Med Sea drowning death, I believe this had been recurring for many years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_migrant_vessel_incidents_on_the_Mediterran
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As to why, it seemed that everyone is arriving now? I highly recommend the book "The tipping point", and it explain basically principle of human behavior and horde mentality.

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Reply #133 - Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 3:37pm

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 3:30pm:

... wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 3:23pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 3:08pm:

But African refugee through the Mid sea is not a huge problem on its own. What is making the news now, is the combination of African refugees from Libya, AND those from Syria, Afghanistan is the problem.

And yet the mainstream media wants to group them all together as "Syrians", while doing their best to focus on the few women and children in the hordes of young men. They wouldn't be so deceptive, unless they needed to be.

I think the media is referring to the refugee that recently arrived in Hungary and Croatia, which are mainly Syrians. As to the Med Sea drowning death, I believe this had been recurring for many years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_migrant_vessel_incidents_on_the_Mediterran
ean_Sea

As to why, it seemed that everyone is arriving now? I highly recommend the book "The tipping point", and it explain basically principle of human behavior and horde mentality.

I know why everyone is arriving now. The same reason wildebeest cross crocodile infested rivers in huge numbers.

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