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Reply #60 - Sep 7th, 2015 at 10:28am
 
The Camp of the Saints is a novel about population migration and its consequences. In Calcutta, India, the Belgian government announces a policy in which Indian babies will be adopted and raised in Belgium. The policy is reversed after the Belgian consulate is inundated with poverty-stricken parents eager to give up their infant children.
An Indian "wise man" then rallies the masses to make a mass exodus to live in Europe. Most of the story centers on the French Riviera, where almost no one remains except for the military and a few civilians, including a retired professor who has been watching the huge fleet of run-down freighters approaching the French coast.
The story alternates between the French reaction to the mass immigration and the attitude of the immigrants. They have no desire to assimilate into French culture but want the goods that are in short supply in their native India. Although the novel focuses on France, the rest of the West shares its fate.
Near the end of the story the mayor of New York City is made to share Gracie Mansion with three families from Harlem, the Queen of the United Kingdom must agree to have her son marry a Pakistani woman, and only one drunken Soviet soldier stands in the way of thousands of Chinese people as they swarm into Siberia. The one holdout until the end of the novel is Switzerland, but by then international pressure isolating it as a rogue state for not opening its borders forces it to capitulate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Camp_of_the_Saints
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Reply #61 - Sep 7th, 2015 at 11:15am
 
Soren wrote on Sep 7th, 2015 at 10:28am:
The Camp of the Saints is a novel about population migration and its consequences. In Calcutta, India, the Belgian government announces a policy in which Indian babies will be adopted and raised in Belgium. The policy is reversed after the Belgian consulate is inundated with poverty-stricken parents eager to give up their infant children.
An Indian "wise man" then rallies the masses to make a mass exodus to live in Europe. Most of the story centers on the French Riviera, where almost no one remains except for the military and a few civilians, including a retired professor who has been watching the huge fleet of run-down freighters approaching the French coast.
The story alternates between the French reaction to the mass immigration and the attitude of the immigrants. They have no desire to assimilate into French culture but want the goods that are in short supply in their native India. Although the novel focuses on France, the rest of the West shares its fate.
Near the end of the story the mayor of New York City is made to share Gracie Mansion with three families from Harlem, the Queen of the United Kingdom must agree to have her son marry a Pakistani woman, and only one drunken Soviet soldier stands in the way of thousands of Chinese people as they swarm into Siberia. The one holdout until the end of the novel is Switzerland, but by then international pressure isolating it as a rogue state for not opening its borders forces it to capitulate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Camp_of_the_Saints


Interesting that this 40 year old book returned to the bestsellers list in 2011.
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Reply #62 - Sep 7th, 2015 at 11:36am
 
Rest easy Islamophobes - Europe is taking in but a tiny fraction of the overall global displaced. The vast majority of them will remain in neighbouring tinted countries. A few hundred thousand will not break us.

But hey, if you really want to do something about this - how about we stop bombing and destabilising these regions? Moreover we could even invest more in helping the UN and the overburdened third world countries with aid and infrastructure to help them cope better with refugees/displaced people. Then maybe there won't be so many of them willing to hop on leaky boats.
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Reply #63 - Sep 7th, 2015 at 1:30pm
 
Have you read the Peter Hitchens article Gandalf?

While you may say it's only a small problem for Europe (and potentially for Australia under the ALP), he clearly sees it, and I agree with him, as a foundational change event for western society.

Am I to take it that you would prefer to see a halt to bombing of ISIL targets? Are they to be allowed to expand unopposed in any way into an ever greater threat to stability in the region?
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Reply #64 - Sep 7th, 2015 at 1:33pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 7th, 2015 at 11:36am:
Rest easy Islamophobes - Europe is taking in but a tiny fraction of the overall global displaced. The vast majority of them will remain in neighbouring tinted countries. A few hundred thousand will not break us.

But hey, if you really want to do something about this - how about we stop bombing and destabilising these regions? Moreover we could even invest more in helping the UN and the overburdened third world countries with aid and infrastructure to help them cope better with refugees/displaced people. Then maybe there won't be so many of them willing to hop on leaky boats.


Nobody's bombed Syria, only jihadis.

Arab Spring, innit.



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Reply #65 - Sep 7th, 2015 at 2:54pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Sep 7th, 2015 at 1:30pm:
Have you read the Peter Hitchens article Gandalf?


Some nonsense about having a duty to not condemn our lovely white homeland to become horrible and tinted for our grand-kiddies. Didn't read much further than that. I've heard it all before - Europe needs to stand up, stop being a walk-over for the tinted peoples, reclaim their pride in christian culture etc etc. Nothing new here.

See I'm not interested in winding back the clock to recreate some European utopia that never existed in the first place - I'm interested in actual solutions. There are some 6 million Syrians displaced because of war. They are currently filling up their impoverished neighbours to bursting point. They are not going to be able to go back to their homes any time soon - they need sanctuary. Most of them will be accommodated by neighbours, but they are not equipped to cope. The international community must step in and ease the burden on them. A few hundred thousand out of 6 million seems like a pretty good deal for me.
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Reply #66 - Sep 7th, 2015 at 2:59pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 7th, 2015 at 1:33pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 7th, 2015 at 11:36am:
Rest easy Islamophobes - Europe is taking in but a tiny fraction of the overall global displaced. The vast majority of them will remain in neighbouring tinted countries. A few hundred thousand will not break us.

But hey, if you really want to do something about this - how about we stop bombing and destabilising these regions? Moreover we could even invest more in helping the UN and the overburdened third world countries with aid and infrastructure to help them cope better with refugees/displaced people. Then maybe there won't be so many of them willing to hop on leaky boats.


Nobody's bombed Syria, only jihadis.

Arab Spring, innit.


The US is bombing Syria as we speak - along with their arab lapdogs. You might have heard a bit on the news about Australia wanting to join in too. Keep up S.

The rise of ISIS is a direct result of the catastrophic invasion of Iraq.
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Reply #67 - Sep 7th, 2015 at 3:13pm
 
Avoiding the question gandalf. Not surprising.
So you oppose bombing ISIL?
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Reply #68 - Sep 7th, 2015 at 3:47pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 7th, 2015 at 2:59pm:
The rise of ISIS is a direct result of the catastrophic invasion of Iraq.


Americanophobic nonsense.

The rise of ISIS is a direct result of Sunni Muslims objecting to democracy in Iraq when this meant that the Shia sect could at last have some representation in its parliament - accompanied by a degree of political clout that it never had before. Period.

Isn't it time you stopped propagandising on behalf of the guilty, gandalf?

Why don't you tell us that the only way Muslims can live peacefully with one another in Iraq is under the sort of Police State dictatorship that Saddam Hussein had constructed in order to keep the warring factions apart while they lived in their separate cages?

That's really the bottom line here. The US-Coalition invasion did nothing more than release the religious psychopaths from their different zoos. The US shot the locks off the cage doors, and what we're witnessing now is how Islamic Neanderthals behave when there's no one to stop them.

You might find it edifying and instructive to read 'Lord of the Flies' by William Golding. He explains what happens to a bunch of children on a desert island where there are no adults around to control their behaviour or punish them.

It's a metaphor for what's happening with the ISIS phenomenon.

It's what happens when people whose natural intelligence has been crippled, mutilated and corrupted by years of religious absolutist indoctrination, and are then finally released by circumstances to go wander the countryside like mass-escapees from a lunatic asylum.

The only thing they're not doing is stumbling around in rags while moaning... "brains... I need brains... BRAAAAINS!!" just like in that movie 'Night of the Living Dead'.

Back into your box, gandalf. Nice try, but no hashish this time.









 



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Reply #69 - Sep 7th, 2015 at 3:50pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Sep 7th, 2015 at 3:13pm:
Avoiding the question gandalf. Not surprising.
So you oppose bombing ISIL?


Sorry, wasn't I clear? When the current bombing strategy just compounds the issue and does nothing to halt ISIS - then yes of course I do
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Reply #70 - Sep 7th, 2015 at 3:52pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 7th, 2015 at 3:47pm:
The rise of ISIS is a direct result of Sunni Muslims objecting to democracy in Iraq


Yes of course it is  Roll Eyes
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Reply #71 - Sep 7th, 2015 at 3:55pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 7th, 2015 at 3:52pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 7th, 2015 at 3:47pm:
The rise of ISIS is a direct result of Sunni Muslims objecting to democracy in Iraq


Yes of course it is  Roll Eyes


Oh for god sake don't channel Brian Ross. That's the ultimate terrorism.
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Reply #72 - Sep 7th, 2015 at 4:06pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 7th, 2015 at 2:59pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 7th, 2015 at 1:33pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 7th, 2015 at 11:36am:
Rest easy Islamophobes - Europe is taking in but a tiny fraction of the overall global displaced. The vast majority of them will remain in neighbouring tinted countries. A few hundred thousand will not break us.

But hey, if you really want to do something about this - how about we stop bombing and destabilising these regions? Moreover we could even invest more in helping the UN and the overburdened third world countries with aid and infrastructure to help them cope better with refugees/displaced people. Then maybe there won't be so many of them willing to hop on leaky boats.


Nobody's bombed Syria, only jihadis.

Arab Spring, innit.


The US is bombing Syria as we speak -



The Syrian civil war started in 2011. "By the end of August 2014, the UN estimated 6.5 million people had been displaced in Syria".  With no Western bombing. 

But the West was pressured all along to inervene more forcefully. And after they did, this time last year, they get all the blame.


Typical.







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Reply #73 - Sep 7th, 2015 at 4:55pm
 
They get the blame for conducting a completely ineffective bombing campaign with no clear strategy.

Exactly what has the year-long bombing campaign achieved so far? What is it supposed to achieve in the future?
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Reply #74 - Sep 7th, 2015 at 5:44pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 7th, 2015 at 4:55pm:
They get the blame for conducting a completely ineffective bombing campaign with no clear strategy.

Exactly what has the year-long bombing campaign achieved so far? What is it supposed to achieve in the future?


It would take out a few of the tinted races. Not good enough?

You people are fussy.
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