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easel Gold Member Offline Posts: 3120	Re: "I just want to be somewhere safe." - moslem refug Reply #15 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 6:37pm How could Turkey be safe for a Syrian refugee? Turkey is bombing positions in Syria. So she turns up in Turkey, speaks a different dialect and people discover she is Syrian. How is she supposed to live a normal or safe life in a country like that?
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easel Gold Member Offline Posts: 3120	Re: "I just want to be somewhere safe." - moslem refug Reply #16 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 6:38pm You have been taken to the planet of: "Xenophobia and racism is an acceptable national security policy"
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Reply #17 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:33pm

easel wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 6:11pm:

I honestly cannot find a fault with Islam.

If applied to society as it has been, it has objectives of:

tolerance
compassion
strong family bonds
respect for other faiths

There is no problem.

When people say it is 'tribal' and 'warlike', you have to apply that to where that is happening.

If Christians, atheists or Buddhists were living in an area where this analogy applies, such as civil war regions, then they would behave identical.

I have a problem with anti-Islamic sentiment being a national security policy, as it is in Australia.

This is a global security issue, a human rights issue and an international relations issue.

The fault is with the Australian system and imposed way of life, not with Islam.

Islam's objective is submission, not tolerance. Why do you think Shariah law has the death penalty for so many things that are not even a crime in more advanced societies?

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Reply #18 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:35pm

freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

easel wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 6:11pm:

I honestly cannot find a fault with Islam.

If applied to society as it has been, it has objectives of:

tolerance
compassion
strong family bonds
respect for other faiths

There is no problem.

When people say it is 'tribal' and 'warlike', you have to apply that to where that is happening.

If Christians, atheists or Buddhists were living in an area where this analogy applies, such as civil war regions, then they would behave identical.

I have a problem with anti-Islamic sentiment being a national security policy, as it is in Australia.

This is a global security issue, a human rights issue and an international relations issue.

The fault is with the Australian system and imposed way of life, not with Islam.

Islam's objective is submission, not tolerance. Why do you think Shariah law has the death penalty for so many things that are not even a crime in more advanced societies?

That is not Islam in modern interpretation.

But if you want a parallel;

submit to the judicial authority or face consequences.

In Australia it is the same. Just that, Australia is not threatening allied nations with military force.

Islam is not the enemy.

Saudi Arabia is not the enemy.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49371 At my desk.	Re: "I just want to be somewhere safe." - moslem refug Reply #19 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:37pm There are plenty of "modern" Muslims who stick to the head hacking interpretation, and the ones who try not to are left floundering like Gandalf.
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Reply #20 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:37pm

easel wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

How could Turkey be safe for a Syrian refugee?

Turkey is bombing positions in Syria.

So she turns up in Turkey, speaks a different dialect and people discover she is Syrian.

How is she supposed to live a normal or safe life in a country like that?

Turkey is a Refugee convention signatory. SO are Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria. They have all pledged to abide by the convention.

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Reply #21 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:38pm

freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:37pm:

There are plenty of "modern" Muslims who stick to the head hacking interpretation, and the ones who try not to are left floundering like Gandalf.

And there are plenty of Muslims who oppose such actions. Just like there are Australians who support gay rights and those who don't. And those who support refugee policy and those who want refugee policy reform.

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Reply #22 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:39pm

Soren wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:37pm:

easel wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

How could Turkey be safe for a Syrian refugee?

Turkey is bombing positions in Syria.

So she turns up in Turkey, speaks a different dialect and people discover she is Syrian.

How is she supposed to live a normal or safe life in a country like that?

Turkey is a Refugee convention signatory. SO are Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria. They have all pledged to abide by the convention.

Yes and she is Syrian.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: "I just want to be somewhere safe." - moslem refug Reply #23 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:39pm easel wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:35pm: Islam is not the enemy. Saudi Arabia is not the enemy. We have no enemies, only friends whose grievances we have failed to accommodate so far.
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Reply #24 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:42pm

Soren wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:39pm:

easel wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:35pm:

Islam is not the enemy.

Saudi Arabia is not the enemy.

We have no enemies, only friends whose grievances we have failed to accommodate so far.

Cry

Quds Force is the enemy.

ASIS has suggested via proxy sharing secret intelligence with Quds Force.

Quds Force is subject to international sanctions.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96413	Re: "I just want to be somewhere safe." - moslem refug Reply #25 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 8:05pm freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:37pm: There are plenty of "modern" Muslims who stick to the head hacking interpretation, and the ones who try not to are left floundering like Gandalf. Are you the standard bearer of wishy washy Western morals or Western values? Are you floundering?
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Reply #26 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 9:58pm

easel wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 6:11pm:

I honestly cannot find a fault with Islam.

If applied to society as it has been, it has objectives of:

tolerance
compassion
strong family bonds
respect for other faiths

There is no problem.

....
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The fault is with the Australian system and imposed way of life, not with Islam.

And the world still turns!

Somehow.

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Reply #27 - Aug 27^th, 2015 at 10:34pm

easel wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:38pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:37pm:

There are plenty of "modern" Muslims who stick to the head hacking interpretation, and the ones who try not to are left floundering like Gandalf.

And there are plenty of Muslims who oppose such actions. Just like there are Australians who support gay rights and those who don't. And those who support refugee policy and those who want refugee policy reform.

There are plenty of Muslims who eat cornflakes for breakfast easel. What does that tell you about Islam?

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Reply #28 - Aug 28^th, 2015 at 12:59am

freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 10:34pm:

easel wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:38pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:37pm:

There are plenty of "modern" Muslims who stick to the head hacking interpretation, and the ones who try not to are left floundering like Gandalf.

And there are plenty of Muslims who oppose such actions. Just like there are Australians who support gay rights and those who don't. And those who support refugee policy and those who want refugee policy reform.

There are plenty of Muslims who eat cornflakes for breakfast easel. What does that tell you about Islam?

Nothing.

Saudi Arabia is a Muslim nation with military alliances with Israel. That tells me Islam is not an enemy of the west.

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easel Gold Member Offline Posts: 3120	Re: "I just want to be somewhere safe." - moslem refug Reply #29 - Aug 28^th, 2015 at 1:02am http://www.defense.gov/News/Article/606620 there is something extremely wrong with Australian police and intelligence agencies. Islamophobia as a national security policy causes harm to communities, social cohesion and international relations.
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