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Re: "I just want to be somewhere safe." - moslem refug
Reply #45 - Aug 28^th, 2015 at 6:45pm

easel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 6:22pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 6:17pm:

easel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 6:08pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 5:56pm:

easel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 12:59am:

freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 10:34pm:

easel wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:38pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:37pm:

There are plenty of "modern" Muslims who stick to the head hacking interpretation, and the ones who try not to are left floundering like Gandalf.

And there are plenty of Muslims who oppose such actions. Just like there are Australians who support gay rights and those who don't. And those who support refugee policy and those who want refugee policy reform.

There are plenty of Muslims who eat cornflakes for breakfast easel. What does that tell you about Islam?

Nothing.

Saudi Arabia is a Muslim nation with military alliances with Israel. That tells me Islam is not an enemy of the west.

No. It tells you that sunnis loathe the shia even more than they loathe west.

That's also not true.

A community has social divides. People stick to their own. Sunnis and Shiites fight each other only when the country descends in to anarchy. Otherwise they co-exist.

When civil war starts you have to shelter with someone.

Why is there a civil war between sunnis and shia if not about being sunni and shia?

Explain. Are they just murdering each other coz you gotta murder someone when the shooting starts and so they have had each other to hand for 1400 years so might as well continue?

You make zero sense - and no wonder.

There is a civil war. Due to the instability of a country there are factions.

There is a civil war. Due to the instability of a country there are factions.

They are fighting because of ISLAM.

easel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 6:22pm:

They are not fighting because they are Sunni Or Shiite. They are fighting because the government fell apart and everyone has AK47's and is paranoid of each other.

They are not fighting because they are Sunni Or Shiite. They are fighting because the government fell apart and everyone has AK47's and is paranoid of each other.

They are fighting because of ISLAM.

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ISLAM ---------- > the religious BIGOTRY which ISLAM fosters in the hearts of those who follow it;

.....is the cause of the war in Syria, and Iraq, and Afghanistan, and Egypt, and Libya, et al.

The war/insurrection against the Assad Syrian government was instigated and encouraged in 2011, by Sunni firebrand members of Al Qaeda [and now ISIS and al-Nusra], who [for theological reasons] wanted to eject the infidel [Alawite moslem] regime of Assad Syrian government, and establish a Sharia nation in Syria, ruled by themselves.

AS PER ALWAYS, when it comes to moslems initiating conflicts with those they deem to be 'the infidel';
The war in Syria, against the Assad Syrian government, was and is, a righteous war initiated by the moslem, against his oppressor, the infidel [aka the Alawite moslem].

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SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems...
...and an example of moslems justifying this slaughter, as a moslem war against infidels.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1333935983/0#0

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Re: "I just want to be somewhere safe." - moslem refug
Reply #46 - Aug 28^th, 2015 at 7:07pm

If you are talking about Syria, the fight is not Islam. The fight is Israeli jets bombed Syrian military installations until the military fell apart and started fighting itself.

They shouldn't have supported Hezbollah.

If you are talking about anything else, it is NOT about Islam.

Radical Australian Nationalists are not fighting about Australian values. They just use that to make their cause attractive.

Just like Islamists. They are not fighting about Islam. They just use it because Islamic culture is dominant in their region. And a way to appear friendly or able to be integrated.

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Reply #48 - Aug 28^th, 2015 at 7:30pm

easel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 7:07pm:

If you are talking about Syria, the fight is not Islam. The fight is Israeli jets bombed Syrian military installations until the military fell apart and started fighting itself.

They shouldn't have supported Hezbollah.

If you are talking about anything else,

it is NOT about Islam.

Radical Australian Nationalists are not fighting about Australian values. They just use that to make their cause attractive.

Just like Islamists. They are not fighting about Islam. They just use it because Islamic culture is dominant in their region. And a way to appear friendly or able to be integrated.

Moslem militants, .....fighting on behalf of ISLAM, ......for the glory of ISLAM, .....have nothing to do with ISLAM ?

Google;

logic 101

THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

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"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

Google;

jihad is the pinnacle of islam

'Aussie' EX-moslem, Mohamed Elomar, in Syria/Iraq.

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'Whosoever dies without participating in an expedition (jihad) nor having the intention to do so, dies on a branch of hypocrisy,'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2632768/Brisbane-woman-charged-supportin...
- Australian EX-moslem, Mohamed Elomar, quoting ISLAMIC scripture

Google;
"Allah's Messenger said" "Whosoever dies without participating"

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Reply #49 - Aug 28^th, 2015 at 7:34pm

Extreme right politics has nothing to do with Australiana or the Australian culture and 'way of life'.

That is a screen used to make it acceptable to the masses and give them a cover story to provide, rather than delivering their policies and theories which cause reputational harm if delivered to the uninitiated.

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Reply #50 - Aug 28^th, 2015 at 7:46pm

easel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 7:34pm:

Extreme right politics has nothing to do with Australiana or the Australian culture and 'way of life'.

That is a screen used to make it acceptable to the masses and give them a cover story to provide, rather than delivering their policies and theories which cause reputational harm if delivered to the uninitiated.

easel,

Clearly ISLAM is being maligned by a foul conspiracy.

"ISLAM is a peaceful and tolerant faith."

Everything stated below concerning ISLAM, is a foul slander of ISLAM ---------- > Cheesy

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

Google;

jihad is the pinnacle of islam

'Aussie' EX-moslem, Mohamed Elomar, in Syria/Iraq.

Quote:

'Whosoever dies without participating in an expedition (jihad) nor having the intention to do so, dies on a branch of hypocrisy,'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2632768/Brisbane-woman-charged-supportin...
- Australian EX-moslem, Mohamed Elomar, quoting ISLAMIC scripture

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"Allah's Messenger said" "Whosoever dies without participating"

Killing an infidel is 'good works'.

That is what ISLAMIC tenets teach every moslem.

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Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW, TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

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YT

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."

"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

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The example of an 'Aussie' moslem community leader,

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Use children as troops, says cleric
January 18, 2007
SYDNEY'S most influential radical Muslim cleric has been caught on film calling Jews pigs and urging children to die for Allah.
Firebrand Sheik Feiz Mohammed, head of the Global Islamic Youth Centre in Liverpool [Australia], delivered the hateful rants on a collection of DVDs called the Death Series being sold in Australia and overseas.
.........Sheik Feiz says in the video.

"We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam.

Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior).

Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom."

An Australian citizen born in Sydney who has spent the past year living in Lebanon, Sheik Feiz was exposed this week in a British documentary Undercover Mosque.
......"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad," he declares in the film, before denouncing "kaffirs" (non-Muslims).

"Kaffir is the worst word ever written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt."

......Sheik Feiz - who just two weeks ago said he felt like an "alien" in his own country - leads about 4000 followers through his Global Islamic Youth Centre in Sydney's southwest.
He also accused Australian authorities of being over-zealous in their approach to clerics like him.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21074839-2,00.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014863.php

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jihad is the pinnacle of islam

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Re: "I just want to be somewhere safe." - moslem refug
Reply #51 - Aug 28^th, 2015 at 7:53pm

easel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 7:34pm:

Extreme right politics has nothing to do with Australiana or the Australian culture and 'way of life'.

That is a screen used to make it acceptable to the masses and give them a cover story to provide, rather than delivering their policies and theories which cause reputational harm if delivered to the uninitiated.

easel,

Clearly ISLAM is being maligned by a foul conspiracy.

"ISLAM is a peaceful and tolerant faith."

Everything stated below concerning ISLAM, is a foul slander of ISLAM ---------- > Cheesy

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Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....
He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

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IMAGE...

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

QUESTION;
How can Australians ever have a peaceful relationship with 'Aussie' moslems, when the moslem community in Australia, hides a malevolent intent towards all Australians who are not moslems ?

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17
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The heart of ISLAM is the Koran

[and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains].

SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ;

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QUESTION;
Is ISLAM and ISLAM's religious and cultural tenets, tolerant of democracy ?

Does ordinary, mainstream ISLAM, allow a democratic form of government [i.e. a form of government which takes to itself, the authority to formulate laws for a society of people] ?

Does ordinary, mainstream ISLAM, allow moslems to peacefully co-exist with [such] a democratic form of government ?

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"[a respected moslem community spokesman has] called on Australian Muslims to spurn secular democracy and Western notions of moderate Islam...
...[moslems in Australia were told] that democracy is "haram" (forbidden) for Muslims, whose political engagement should be be based purely on Islamic law.
"We must adhere to Islam and Islam alone," Mr Hanif [said]"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-countr...

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Reply #52 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 2:21pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 7:53pm:

easel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 7:34pm:

Extreme right politics has nothing to do with Australiana or the Australian culture and 'way of life'.

That is a screen used to make it acceptable to the masses and give them a cover story to provide, rather than delivering their policies and theories which cause reputational harm if delivered to the uninitiated.

easel,

Clearly ISLAM is being maligned by a foul conspiracy.

Clearly Islam is being maligned by a simplistic minority.

There are more simplistic people than foul conspiracies. Mathematics says I am probably correct Wink

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Reply #54 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 3:45pm

You will never see a muslim or an apologist hold islam responsible.

Why?

muslims and islam are stuffed.

They cannot ever make islam responsible for it's own actions.

They are bound by the utterly stupid tenet that the qur'an is infallible perfect and cannot be changed.

If they were to try and renounce the evil in the qur'an, that means that islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an got it wrong = no more islam.

So the atrocities will go on as long as islam exists.

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Reply #55 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:11pm

easel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 6:22pm:

There is a civil war. Due to the instability of a country there are factions.

They are not fighting because they are Sunni Or Shiite. They are fighting because the government fell apart and everyone has AK47's and is paranoid of each other.

You drive a Toyota? I drive a Toyota. Let's not kill each other and fight the Mercedes drivers. Because they are not like us.

And being sunni, shia, alewite, Coptic has nuffin' to do wiv' nuffin', yes?

Sunnies and shia are fighting shoulder to shoulder against some other sunnis and shia.

Sure thing, pal.

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Reply #56 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:12pm

moses wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 3:45pm:

You will never see a muslim or an apologist hold islam responsible.

Why?

muslims and islam are stuffed.

They cannot ever make islam responsible for it's own actions.

They are bound by the utterly stupid tenet that the qur'an is infallible perfect and cannot be changed.

If they were to try and renounce the evil in the qur'an, that means that islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an got it wrong = no more islam.

So the atrocities will go on as long as islam exists.

There is nothing wrong with Islam. There are Muslims and Muslims nations prepared to fight and die shoulder to shoulder in a war with Israeli's and Americans.

The issue is POLITICAL.

Hezbollah, Iran, Syria, and anyone else you have a problem with, is SOVIET IN DESIGN.

This is political. The Soviet Union had a policy of atheism. That is blasphemy. But they work together.

It is not Islam.

But if you victimise and persecute Muslims in Australia, don't be shocked if they react violently. We saw what happened to the Jews by the Nazis after they were persecuted. If you annoyed me in the street I would probably react also. That is not political. That is the fault of racism promoted as a national security policy. That is government sponsored radicalisation of at risk persons for achieving political aims.

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Reply #57 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:14pm

Soren wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:11pm:

easel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 6:22pm:

There is a civil war. Due to the instability of a country there are factions.

They are not fighting because they are Sunni Or Shiite. They are fighting because the government fell apart and everyone has AK47's and is paranoid of each other.

You drive a Toyota? I drive a Toyota. Let's not kill each other and fight the Mercedes drivers. Because they are not like us.

And being sunni, shia, alewite, Coptic has nuffin' to do wiv' nuffin', yes?

Sunnies and shia are fighting shoulder to shoulder against some other sunnis and shia.

Sure thing, pal.

It has something to do with it because those countries security agencies worked to divide society. If the government did not think dividing the population would be a way to increase the security of the state, upon collapse of the state, sects of Islam would not be fighting with each other.

But you should know that.

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Reply #58 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:15pm

easel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 7:07pm:

If you are talking about Syria, the fight is not Islam. The fight is Israeli jets bombed Syrian military installations until the military fell apart and started fighting itself.

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They shouldn't have supported Hezbollah.

If you are talking about anything else, it is NOT about Islam.

Coz Hez'allah has nuffin to do wiv ALlah. And Allahu Akhbaring has nuffin to do wiv Allah. Islamic State has nuffin to do wiv Islam.

The Islamic Republic of Iran has nuffin to do with Islam. Or Iranians.

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Reply #59 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:16pm

easel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 6:23pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 6:18pm:

easel wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:39pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:37pm:

easel wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

How could Turkey be safe for a Syrian refugee?

Turkey is bombing positions in Syria.

So she turns up in Turkey, speaks a different dialect and people discover she is Syrian.

How is she supposed to live a normal or safe life in a country like that?

Turkey is a Refugee convention signatory. SO are Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria. They have all pledged to abide by the convention.

Yes and she is Syrian.

So? Are you sating that Muslim signatories to the Convention are selective in who they give asylum to? That they are not true to their pledge?

She will not be guaranteed safety in Turkey.

It is a very simple concept.....

Why not? Turkey is a signatory to the convention.

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