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Re: "I just want to be somewhere safe." - moslem refug
Reply #60 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:17pm

Soren wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:16pm:

easel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 6:23pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 6:18pm:

easel wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:39pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:37pm:

easel wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

How could Turkey be safe for a Syrian refugee?

Turkey is bombing positions in Syria.

So she turns up in Turkey, speaks a different dialect and people discover she is Syrian.

How is she supposed to live a normal or safe life in a country like that?

Turkey is a Refugee convention signatory. SO are Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria. They have all pledged to abide by the convention.

Yes and she is Syrian.

So? Are you sating that Muslim signatories to the Convention are selective in who they give asylum to? That they are not true to their pledge?

She will not be guaranteed safety in Turkey.

It is a very simple concept.....

Why not? Turkey is a signatory to the convention.

She is a person. From Syria.

Turkey and Syria are at war. It is not appropriate for her to be resettled there.

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Reply #61 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:19pm

Soren wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:15pm:

easel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 7:07pm:

If you are talking about Syria, the fight is not Islam. The fight is Israeli jets bombed Syrian military installations until the military fell apart and started fighting itself.

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They shouldn't have supported Hezbollah.

If you are talking about anything else, it is NOT about Islam.

Coz Hez'allah has nuffin to do wiv ALlah. And Allahu Akhbaring has nuffin to do wiv Allah. Islamic State has nuffin to do wiv Islam.

The Islamic Republic of Iran has nuffin to do with Islam. Or Iranians.

Wearing an Australian flag has nothing to do with being Australian. It is used to extremists groups to invoke feelings of patriotism and divert attention to their cause.

I eat Islamic food. Sometimes I eat Halal food.

That has nothing to do with Islam. It just means I am eating food that is acceptable to Muslims.

Just like wearing an Australian flag has nothing to do with Australia when attempting to convey a point.

It is a manipulation of your thought processes.

If they are aligned with atheism, such as state atheism including communist China, they are NOT MUSLIM and are blasphemous.

End of story.

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Reply #62 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:26pm

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There is nothing wrong with Islam. There are Muslims and Muslims nations prepared to fight and die shoulder to shoulder in a war with Israeli's and Americans.

The issue is POLITICAL.

Hezbollah, Iran, Syria, and anyone else you have a problem with, is SOVIET IN DESIGN.

This is political. The Soviet Union had a policy of atheism. That is blasphemy. But they work together.

It is not Islam.

But if you victimise and persecute Muslims in Australia, don't be shocked if they react violently. We saw what happened to the Jews by the Nazis after they were persecuted. If you annoyed me in the street I would probably react also. That is not political. That is the fault of racism promoted as a national security policy. That is government sponsored radicalisation of at risk persons for achieving political aims.

Yeah sure it's all the fault of the Joos, the great satan, the Christians, western democracy, Buddhists, Hindus, pagans, atheists etc. etc. etc..

Like I said you're forbidden to take responsibility for your depravities.

Because once you do no more islam.

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easel Gold Member Offline Posts: 3120	Re: "I just want to be somewhere safe." - moslem refug Reply #63 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 5:14pm I'm not a Muslim.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: "I just want to be somewhere safe." - moslem refug Reply #64 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 6:28pm easel wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 6:11pm: I honestly cannot find a fault with Islam. Taqiyyah right there. PS. author=midnightcowboy You are a looney.
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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96413	Re: "I just want to be somewhere safe." - moslem refug Reply #65 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 6:30pm Soren wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 6:28pm: easel wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 6:11pm: I honestly cannot find a fault with Islam. Taqiyyah right there. PS. author=midnightcowboy You are a looney. You give the old boy his account back right now, Hot Breasts. And don't do it again.
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easel Gold Member Offline Posts: 3120	Re: "I just want to be somewhere safe." - moslem refug Reply #66 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 6:38pm I can find fault with Islamic tenets, but not Islam. Modern Islam is fine. Civil war and sectarian violence does not represent Islam. It just so happens that the Cold War pitted half of the middle east against the other half. It's not religion.
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Reply #67 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 10:44pm

easel wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:12pm:

moses wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 3:45pm:

You will never see a muslim or an apologist hold islam responsible.

Why?

muslims and islam are stuffed.

They cannot ever make islam responsible for it's own actions.

They are bound by the utterly stupid tenet that the qur'an is infallible perfect and cannot be changed.

If they were to try and renounce the evil in the qur'an, that means that islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an got it wrong = no more islam.

So the atrocities will go on as long as islam exists.

But if you victimise and persecute Muslims in Australia, don't be shocked if they react violently.

I will be shocked.

Moslems, reacting violently ?

Allah forbid it !!!!!

I will be shocked.

"ISLAM is a peaceful and tolerant faith."

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"Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means

submitting your will to God,

so you acquire peace through it," he said.

"When I'm following its [i.e. ISLAM's] teachings,

I know that my own actions are in line with what my creator wants,

and hence I am at peace with myself, [with] my community and the rest of the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimin...

IMAGE....

Quote:

"Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014."

- ABC news report - 2015-01-19

"Peace summarises everything in Islam..."

- Mr Yunus

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easel,

QUESTION;
What is the best way for a naive infidel who is unfamiliar with the intricacies of ISLAM, ....to tell a real moslem LIKE YOURSELF, from a moslem impersonator ?1

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IMAGE....

"Behead those who insult ISLAM"

Moslems are taught by ISLAMIC tenets and laws [from childhood], that it is a lawful act, for a moslem to kill a non-moslem who insults ISLAM, by rejecting ISLAM.

Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.

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Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

ISLAM = = ---------- >

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #68 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 10:58pm

easel wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:14pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:11pm:

easel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 6:22pm:

There is a civil war. Due to the instability of a country there are factions.

They are not fighting because they are Sunni Or Shiite. They are fighting because the government fell apart and everyone has AK47's and is paranoid of each other.

You drive a Toyota? I drive a Toyota. Let's not kill each other and fight the Mercedes drivers. Because they are not like us.

And being sunni, shia, alewite, Coptic has nuffin' to do wiv' nuffin', yes?

Sunnies and shia are fighting shoulder to shoulder against some other sunnis and shia.

Sure thing, pal.

It has something to do with it because those countries security agencies worked

to divide society.

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Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian.

Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'"

Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men.
Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."

And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us".

These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world.
...DDA

Google it.

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Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

ISLAM = = ---------- >

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

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easel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 7:07pm:

If you are talking about Syria,

the fight is not Islam.

The fight is Israeli jets bombed Syrian military installations until the military fell apart and started fighting itself.

They shouldn't have supported Hezbollah.

If you are talking about anything else,

it is NOT about Islam.

And the Koran has nothing to do with ISLAM.

"ISLAM is a peaceful and tolerant faith."

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And Mohammed Morsi [Ex-President of Egypt] IS NOT A MOSLEM!!!!!!

Honest!!!!!!

Mohammed Morsi is really a secret Mossad agent, who is trying, so, so hard, to bring ISLAM into disrepute!!!

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Mild mannered - Mohammed Morsi -
Ex-President of Egypt

"The Koran is our constitution"

"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"

"Jihad is our path"

"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #69 - Aug 30^th, 2015 at 12:38am

easel wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

I can find fault with Islamic tenets,

but not Islam.

Modern Islam is fine.

Civil war and sectarian violence does not represent Islam. It just so happens that the Cold War pitted half of the middle east against the other half.

It's not religion.

"There is nothing wrong with ISLAM"

ARGUMENTS IN OPPOSITION TO YOUR PROPOSITION [ABOVE]

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Yadda said....
UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1329870100/2#2
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Where is the example in the world, of 'true' ISLAM ???

MY PROPOSITION OF LOGIC IS THIS;

If ISLAM is truly virtuous, if Sharia law is just, and is not 'interpreted' into unjust law by moslem 'impersonators', then where is the example, in the world, where Sharia is applied justly ???

Where is the example in the world, for us unbelievers to be shocked and in awe at the clear and apparent virtue of the ISLAMIC society ???

Answer.

There is not one.

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Yadda said....
Islam vs Universal Declaration of human rights
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1327799946/104#104
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Abu,

In every instance where ISLAM has a primary cultural influence upon a society of people, and in those instances where moslems are in authority in a society, and are behaving badly, violently, corruptly, those persons [i.e. moslems], always refuse to accept responsibility for the consequences of their own governance/choices.

Within moslem societies [i.e. where ISLAM has a primary cultural influence], when everything turns to sh!t for them, moslems always [as a society] refuse to accept responsibility for their own poor [violent, corrupt] governance, of their own political affairs.

Q.
Why so?

A.
Because those societies and people are spiritually corrupted, are being guided by something other than God.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388087903/24#24
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COMMENT;

ISLAM is a corrupt and corrupting criminal [by our laws] philosophy.

ISLAM creates 'moslems'.

moslems = = human sewage

ISLAM produces only [political] corruption, [political] oppression, injustice, human poverty, and, dead bodies.

The truth is that ISLAM is an evil philosophy, which, imo, 'creates' a mental pathology [a 'sickness'] in the psyche of those human beings who choose to embrace it.

And ISLAM is spread by moslems.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda

QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

ISLAM = = ---------- >

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: "I just want to be somewhere safe." - moslem refug Reply #70 - Aug 30^th, 2015 at 12:57pm easel wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 6:38pm: I can find fault with Islamic tenets, but not Islam. What's the difference? Islam is made up of Islamic tenets.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 139162 Gender:	Re: "I just want to be somewhere safe." - moslem refug Reply #71 - Aug 30^th, 2015 at 1:24pm Is Yadda's therapist on holidays? I hope she comes back soon.
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21884 A cat with a view	Re: "I just want to be somewhere safe." - moslem refug Reply #72 - Aug 30^th, 2015 at 6:13pm greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 1:24pm: Is Yadda's therapist on holidays? I hope she comes back soon. The second sentence sounds like an admission, to me. I certainly understand what that group of words mean.
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easel Gold Member Offline Posts: 3120	Re: "I just want to be somewhere safe." - moslem refug Reply #73 - Aug 31^st, 2015 at 3:04pm Yadda, it is very easy to take small issues and use them against all of Islam. For example, the reference you provided to drugging and raping women by Muslims. These people happen to identify as Muslims. My understanding is that the Quran bans any intoxicating substances.
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Reply #74 - Aug 31^st, 2015 at 8:30pm

easel wrote on Aug 31^st, 2015 at 3:04pm:

Yadda, it is very easy to take small issues and use them against all of Islam.

For example, the reference you provided to drugging and raping women by Muslims.

These people happen to identify as Muslims.

My understanding is that the Quran bans any intoxicating substances.

It doesn’t mean what it says, Easel. Like the Old Testament and the Book of Revelations.

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