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Reply #45 - Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 1:14pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 11:39am:

a) Occasional removal of hands is a way of identifying people without carrying away their entire body. SOP.

b) Hastie would not have been absolved off liability, via the Yamashita Decision, which dictates that the officer in command is responsible for the conduct and training of his troops, even if he is not immediately present at the time of an offence.

I'd venture to suggest this may be behind his retirement from the Regiment - not the SOP actions - but the fact that it became public and he was forced to self-defend by betraying his own men.

If one reads between the lines, I'd say you have hit the nail on the head. Hastie knew and may have authorised the cutting off of hands....this being....as even Hastie implied...within operating procedures. He did not say, but it is at least logical, the hands would have been severed for ID purposes....much easier than loading a corpse and transporting it back to a Base.

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Reply #46 - Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 1:30pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 1:14pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 11:39am:

a) Occasional removal of hands is a way of identifying people without carrying away their entire body. SOP.

b) Hastie would not have been absolved off liability, via the Yamashita Decision, which dictates that the officer in command is responsible for the conduct and training of his troops, even if he is not immediately present at the time of an offence.

I'd venture to suggest this may be behind his retirement from the Regiment - not the SOP actions - but the fact that it became public and he was forced to self-defend by betraying his own men.

If one reads between the lines, I'd say you have hit the nail on the head. Hastie knew and may have authorised the cutting off of hands....this being....as even Hastie implied...within operating procedures. He did not say, but it is at least logical,

the hands would have been severed for ID purposes....much easier than loading a corpse and transporting it back to a Base.

What's wrong with photos and fingerprints?

They seem to work just fine for ID purposes.

No need to chop hands off, and no need to lug bodies around.

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Reply #47 - Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 1:31pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 1:14pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 11:39am:

a) Occasional removal of hands is a way of identifying people without carrying away their entire body. SOP.

b) Hastie would not have been absolved off liability, via the Yamashita Decision, which dictates that the officer in command is responsible for the conduct and training of his troops, even if he is not immediately present at the time of an offence.

I'd venture to suggest this may be behind his retirement from the Regiment - not the SOP actions - but the fact that it became public and he was forced to self-defend by betraying his own men.

If one reads between the lines, I'd say you have hit the nail on the head. Hastie knew and may have authorised the cutting off of hands....this being....as even Hastie implied...within operating procedures. He did not say, but it is at least logical, the hands would have been severed for ID purposes....much easier than loading a corpse and transporting it back to a Base.

This is one explanation. The other is psychological warfare, as taught by the SAS.

I won’t go into any trade secrets here, but the dismembering of Muslim corpses is a common tactic, not just of the Australian SAS and black ops, but warring Muslim armies.

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Redmond Neck Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 21484 ACT Gender:	Re: Fauxfacts attempt to smear an honourable SAS Capt. Reply #48 - Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 1:34pm I wouldnt vote for the bastard, I dont want any mutilating pr!cks running our country. Next thing we will be having coupes and all that middle eastern sh1t. Give him a job as a scout master or something. NO WAY JOSE, I WONT VOTE FOR HIM.
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Reply #49 - Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 1:38pm

Kat wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 1:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 1:14pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 11:39am:

a) Occasional removal of hands is a way of identifying people without carrying away their entire body. SOP.

b) Hastie would not have been absolved off liability, via the Yamashita Decision, which dictates that the officer in command is responsible for the conduct and training of his troops, even if he is not immediately present at the time of an offence.

I'd venture to suggest this may be behind his retirement from the Regiment - not the SOP actions - but the fact that it became public and he was forced to self-defend by betraying his own men.

If one reads between the lines, I'd say you have hit the nail on the head. Hastie knew and may have authorised the cutting off of hands....this being....as even Hastie implied...within operating procedures. He did not say, but it is at least logical,

the hands would have been severed for ID purposes....much easier than loading a corpse and transporting it back to a Base.

What's wrong with photos and fingerprints?

They seem to work just fine for ID purposes.

No need to chop hands off, and no need to lug bodies around.

The suggestion seems to be that, depending on how much battle is going on at the time, there is no time for fingerprinting......quick chop chop instead.

Hastie would be better served by publicly stating what the SOP was in the relevant circumstances, and also taking the public position that his soldiers were doing precisely what they were trained and instructed to do.

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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 95240 Gender:	Re: Fauxfacts attempt to smear an honourable SAS Capt. Reply #50 - Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 1:42pm He can’t be around children. He certainly wouldn’t pass a Working With Children’s Check. He needs to be in an institution of some kind, where he can get all the appropriate treatment. These both rule him out of federal parliament, I’m afraid.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40692 Gender:	Re: Fauxfacts attempt to smear an honourable SAS Capt. Reply #51 - Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 1:49pm the alp are against Australia
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38521 Gender:	Re: Fauxfacts attempt to smear an honourable SAS Capt. Reply #52 - Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 1:52pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 1:49pm: the alp are against Australia I guess that depends on your definition of 'Australia.'
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Johnsmith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4716 Gender:	Re: Fauxfacts attempt to smear an honourable SAS Capt. Reply #53 - Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 1:56pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 1:49pm: the alp are against Australia If by that you mean extreme right wing nut jobs? then yes, they are!
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83710 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Fauxfacts attempt to smear an honourable SAS Capt. Reply #54 - Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 1:57pm Aussie wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 1:52pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 1:49pm: the alp are against Australia I guess that depends on your definition of 'Australia.' Australia - the demographic area into which your personal social group fits...
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Reply #55 - Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 5:22pm

Can someone who knows about these things please explain to me (1) what the chances are that the hand you cut off in the battlefield is going to match fingerprints we have on file somewhere (God knows where) in Australia and/or the US to allow us to identify the dead person and (2) what the chances are that we're going to identify anyone of any significance to the war effort???

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Reply #56 - Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 5:23pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 5:22pm:

Can someone who knows about these things please explain to me (1) what the chances are that the hand you cut off in the battlefield is going to match fingerprints we have on file somewhere (God knows where) in Australia and/or the US to allow us to identify the dead person and (2) what the chances are that we're going to identify anyone of any significance to the war effort???

I dunno, but that is the rationale behind the behandings.

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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 95240 Gender:	Re: Fauxfacts attempt to smear an honourable SAS Capt. Reply #57 - Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 5:27pm It’s a worthwhile question. Which army routinely cuts the hands off its dead enemies? I’m curious.
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Reply #58 - Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 5:27pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 5:22pm:

Can someone who knows about these things please explain to me (1) what the chances are that the hand you cut off in the battlefield is going to match fingerprints we have on file somewhere (God knows where) in Australia and/or the US to allow us to identify the dead person and (2) what the chances are that we're going to identify anyone of any significance to the war effort???

Yes it is always better to not bother making sure that you killed someone important, because knowing that would be stupid and a waste of time.

Yep them movies from WWII are not helping you at all here are they?

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Reply #59 - Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 5:27pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 5:23pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 5:22pm:

Can someone who knows about these things please explain to me (1) what the chances are that the hand you cut off in the battlefield is going to match fingerprints we have on file somewhere (God knows where) in Australia and/or the US to allow us to identify the dead person and (2) what the chances are that we're going to identify anyone of any significance to the war effort???

I dunno, but that is the rationale behind the behandings.

Sounds like savages collecting war trophies to me. Unless someone can explain it, it sounds like scalping to me.

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