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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Simply awful government can't negotiate Aug 24^th, 2015 at 5:37am http://m.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/policy-paralysis-tony-abbott... What a mess this experiment has turned out to be
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Reply #1 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 5:46am

When you have the ALP controlling a large chunk of the Senate and they block budget measures they advocated before the September 2013 election, it makes passing anything but the most benign legislation exceptionally difficult. Labor is seething at losing in 2013 and are simply being childishly petulant, obstructionist and vindictive because they got their arses handed to them by Abbott, of all people. On top of this is the problem of the Independent lunatics, such as Lambie, Lazarus and lets not forget that imbecile Palmer. Given this, it is hardly surprising that Abbott's government is having a hard time getting legislation through this Senate. Time to abolish preferential voting in the Senate. This Senate is a demonstration of what can go wrong with preferential voting and it needs to be abolished before the next election if we are to see a Senate that doesn't include nutjobs with less than 0.5% of the vote.

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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Simply awful government can't negotiate Reply #2 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 5:49am When Abort doesn't even believe in his own policy how can one expect the Senate to back him .
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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25793 Gender:	Re: Simply awful government can't negotiate Reply #3 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 5:50am Its time wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 5:49am: When Abort doesn't even believe in his own policy how can one expect the Senate to back him . Huh?
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Sir Crook Ex Member	Re: Simply awful government can't negotiate Reply #4 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 6:25am Thank heavens for the good people in the senate.
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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25793 Gender:	Re: Simply awful government can't negotiate Reply #5 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 6:45am Quote: Thank heavens for the good people in the senate. Yes, such a pity they're outnumbered by Labor ex-union hacks, Independent nutjobs, Greens eco-terrorists and Palmer.
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Reply #6 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:04am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 5:46am:

When you have the ALP controlling a large chunk of the Senate and they block budget measures they advocated before the September 2013 election, it makes passing anything but the most benign legislation exceptionally difficult. Labor is seething at losing in 2013 and are simply being childishly petulant, obstructionist and vindictive because they got their arses handed to them by Abbott, of all people. On top of this is the problem of the Independent lunatics, such as Lambie, Lazarus and lets not forget that imbecile Palmer. Given this, it is hardly surprising that Abbott's government is having a hard time getting legislation through this Senate. Time to abolish preferential voting in the Senate. This Senate is a demonstration of what can go wrong with preferential voting and it needs to be abolished before the next election if we are to see a Senate that doesn't include nutjobs with less than 0.5% of the vote.

You must have missed the part where it was showing that the Liberals had put less legislation forward.

i.e. there was already less before the senate were involved in any way.

This senate is acting no differently to the previous one.

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the Abbott government has also introduced fewer bills to the House of Representatives. A comparison of the first 135 sitting days of the 43rd and 44th parliaments finds that 480 bills were introduced there under Ms Gillard's prime ministership, while 365 - excluding duplicate versions of bills - were introduced under Mr Abbott.

Independent senator Nick Xenophon, who has witnessed the Rudd, Gillard and Abbott governments at close quarters, said while the Gillard government used to "pride itself" on passing many bills that were "pretty average", the pendulum had swung back in the other direction under the Coalition.

"There seems to be a policy paralysis," he said.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/policy-paralysis-tony-abbotts-government-the-slowest-for-nearly-five-decades-20150821-gj4lxc.html#ixzz3jgN1abAu
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Re: Simply awful government can't negotiate
Reply #7 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:08am

Dnarever wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:04am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 5:46am:

When you have the ALP controlling a large chunk of the Senate and they block budget measures they advocated before the September 2013 election, it makes passing anything but the most benign legislation exceptionally difficult. Labor is seething at losing in 2013 and are simply being childishly petulant, obstructionist and vindictive because they got their arses handed to them by Abbott, of all people. On top of this is the problem of the Independent lunatics, such as Lambie, Lazarus and lets not forget that imbecile Palmer. Given this, it is hardly surprising that Abbott's government is having a hard time getting legislation through this Senate. Time to abolish preferential voting in the Senate. This Senate is a demonstration of what can go wrong with preferential voting and it needs to be abolished before the next election if we are to see a Senate that doesn't include nutjobs with less than 0.5% of the vote.

You must have missed the part where it was showing that the Liberals had put less legislation forward.

i.e. there was already less before the senate were involved in any way.

This senate is acting no differently to the previous one.

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the Abbott government has also introduced fewer bills to the House of Representatives. A comparison of the first 135 sitting days of the 43rd and 44th parliaments finds that 480 bills were introduced there under Ms Gillard's prime ministership, while 365 - excluding duplicate versions of bills - were introduced under Mr Abbott.

Independent senator Nick Xenophon, who has witnessed the Rudd, Gillard and Abbott governments at close quarters, said while the Gillard government used to "pride itself" on passing many bills that were "pretty average", the pendulum had swung back in the other direction under the Coalition.

"There seems to be a policy paralysis," he said.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/policy-paralysis-tony-abbotts-government-the-slowest-for-nearly-five-decades-20150821-gj4lxc.html#ixzz3jgN1abAu
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Since when is the number of bills put forth a measure of a governments' competence? I'd counter your argument by telling you that most of the legislation that was put forth by Rudd/Gillard was either a colossal mistake or a colossal waste and that Abbott is clearly intent on not making the same mistakes Labor made.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95238 Gender:	Re: Simply awful government can't negotiate Reply #8 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:09am They need Maria.
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Re: Simply awful government can't negotiate
Reply #9 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:10am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:08am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:04am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 5:46am:

When you have the ALP controlling a large chunk of the Senate and they block budget measures they advocated before the September 2013 election, it makes passing anything but the most benign legislation exceptionally difficult. Labor is seething at losing in 2013 and are simply being childishly petulant, obstructionist and vindictive because they got their arses handed to them by Abbott, of all people. On top of this is the problem of the Independent lunatics, such as Lambie, Lazarus and lets not forget that imbecile Palmer. Given this, it is hardly surprising that Abbott's government is having a hard time getting legislation through this Senate. Time to abolish preferential voting in the Senate. This Senate is a demonstration of what can go wrong with preferential voting and it needs to be abolished before the next election if we are to see a Senate that doesn't include nutjobs with less than 0.5% of the vote.

You must have missed the part where it was showing that the Liberals had put less legislation forward.

i.e. there was already less before the senate were involved in any way.

This senate is acting no differently to the previous one.

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the Abbott government has also introduced fewer bills to the House of Representatives. A comparison of the first 135 sitting days of the 43rd and 44th parliaments finds that 480 bills were introduced there under Ms Gillard's prime ministership, while 365 - excluding duplicate versions of bills - were introduced under Mr Abbott.

Independent senator Nick Xenophon, who has witnessed the Rudd, Gillard and Abbott governments at close quarters, said while the Gillard government used to "pride itself" on passing many bills that were "pretty average", the pendulum had swung back in the other direction under the Coalition.

"There seems to be a policy paralysis," he said.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/policy-paralysis-tony-abbotts-government-the-slowest-for-nearly-five-decades-20150821-gj4lxc.html#ixzz3jgN1abAu
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Since when is the number of bills put forth a measure of a governments' competence? I'd counter your argument by telling you that most of the legislation that was put forth by Rudd/Gillard was either a colossal mistake or a colossal waste and that Abbott is clearly intent on not making the same mistakes Labor made.

If it was then this government, being a "good" government, should have rescinded the legislation.

Which requires legislation.

Good government starts tomorrow

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Re: Simply awful government can't negotiate
Reply #10 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:13am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:08am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:04am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 5:46am:

When you have the ALP controlling a large chunk of the Senate and they block budget measures they advocated before the September 2013 election, it makes passing anything but the most benign legislation exceptionally difficult. Labor is seething at losing in 2013 and are simply being childishly petulant, obstructionist and vindictive because they got their arses handed to them by Abbott, of all people. On top of this is the problem of the Independent lunatics, such as Lambie, Lazarus and lets not forget that imbecile Palmer. Given this, it is hardly surprising that Abbott's government is having a hard time getting legislation through this Senate. Time to abolish preferential voting in the Senate. This Senate is a demonstration of what can go wrong with preferential voting and it needs to be abolished before the next election if we are to see a Senate that doesn't include nutjobs with less than 0.5% of the vote.

You must have missed the part where it was showing that the Liberals had put less legislation forward.

i.e. there was already less before the senate were involved in any way.

This senate is acting no differently to the previous one.

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the Abbott government has also introduced fewer bills to the House of Representatives. A comparison of the first 135 sitting days of the 43rd and 44th parliaments finds that 480 bills were introduced there under Ms Gillard's prime ministership, while 365 - excluding duplicate versions of bills - were introduced under Mr Abbott.

Independent senator Nick Xenophon, who has witnessed the Rudd, Gillard and Abbott governments at close quarters, said while the Gillard government used to "pride itself" on passing many bills that were "pretty average", the pendulum had swung back in the other direction under the Coalition.

"There seems to be a policy paralysis," he said.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/policy-paralysis-tony-abbotts-government-the-slowest-for-nearly-five-decades-20150821-gj4lxc.html#ixzz3jgN1abAu
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Since when is the number of bills put forth a measure of a governments' competence? I'd counter your argument by telling you that most of the legislation that was put forth by Rudd/Gillard was either a colossal mistake or a colossal waste and that Abbott is clearly intent on not making the same mistakes Labor made.

If it was then this government, being a "good" government, should have rescinded the legislation.

Which requires legislation.

Good government starts tomorrow

It has - carbon tax, mining tax. Some legislation has been successfully ripped up, some have been blocked by a Labor Party unable to cope with the colossal defeat they suffered in 2013.

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Re: Simply awful government can't negotiate
Reply #11 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:16am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 5:46am:

When you have the ALP controlling a large chunk of the Senate and they block budget measures they advocated before the September 2013 election, it makes passing anything but the most benign legislation exceptionally difficult. Labor is seething at losing in 2013 and are simply being childishly petulant, obstructionist and vindictive because they got their arses handed to them by Abbott, of all people. On top of this is the problem of the Independent lunatics, such as Lambie, Lazarus and lets not forget that imbecile Palmer. Given this, it is hardly surprising that Abbott's government is having a hard time getting legislation through this Senate. Time to abolish preferential voting in the Senate. This Senate is a demonstration of what can go wrong with preferential voting and it needs to be abolished before the next election if we are to see a Senate that doesn't include nutjobs with less than 0.5% of the vote.

Stop making excuses .. did you even read the article? Only twice in 50 yrs has the govt. had a majority in the senate. You can't blame the senate just because Abbott has no idea how to negotiate.

Perhaps he could get Maria to negotiate for him?

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Reply #12 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:18am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:13am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:08am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:04am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 5:46am:

When you have the ALP controlling a large chunk of the Senate and they block budget measures they advocated before the September 2013 election, it makes passing anything but the most benign legislation exceptionally difficult. Labor is seething at losing in 2013 and are simply being childishly petulant, obstructionist and vindictive because they got their arses handed to them by Abbott, of all people. On top of this is the problem of the Independent lunatics, such as Lambie, Lazarus and lets not forget that imbecile Palmer. Given this, it is hardly surprising that Abbott's government is having a hard time getting legislation through this Senate. Time to abolish preferential voting in the Senate. This Senate is a demonstration of what can go wrong with preferential voting and it needs to be abolished before the next election if we are to see a Senate that doesn't include nutjobs with less than 0.5% of the vote.

You must have missed the part where it was showing that the Liberals had put less legislation forward.

i.e. there was already less before the senate were involved in any way.

This senate is acting no differently to the previous one.

Quote:

the Abbott government has also introduced fewer bills to the House of Representatives. A comparison of the first 135 sitting days of the 43rd and 44th parliaments finds that 480 bills were introduced there under Ms Gillard's prime ministership, while 365 - excluding duplicate versions of bills - were introduced under Mr Abbott.

Independent senator Nick Xenophon, who has witnessed the Rudd, Gillard and Abbott governments at close quarters, said while the Gillard government used to "pride itself" on passing many bills that were "pretty average", the pendulum had swung back in the other direction under the Coalition.

"There seems to be a policy paralysis," he said.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/policy-paralysis-tony-abbotts-government-the-slowest-for-nearly-five-decades-20150821-gj4lxc.html#ixzz3jgN1abAu
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Since when is the number of bills put forth a measure of a governments' competence? I'd counter your argument by telling you that most of the legislation that was put forth by Rudd/Gillard was either a colossal mistake or a colossal waste and that Abbott is clearly intent on not making the same mistakes Labor made.

If it was then this government, being a "good" government, should have rescinded the legislation.

Which requires legislation.

Good government starts tomorrow

It has - carbon tax, mining tax. Some legislation has been successfully ripped up, some have been blocked by a Labor Party unable to cope with the colossal defeat they suffered in 2013.

So two things over 6 years, according to you, were mistakes.

Mind you, rescinded during a period that this government was a bad government.

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Reply #13 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:19am

Johnsmith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:16am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 5:46am:

When you have the ALP controlling a large chunk of the Senate and they block budget measures they advocated before the September 2013 election, it makes passing anything but the most benign legislation exceptionally difficult. Labor is seething at losing in 2013 and are simply being childishly petulant, obstructionist and vindictive because they got their arses handed to them by Abbott, of all people. On top of this is the problem of the Independent lunatics, such as Lambie, Lazarus and lets not forget that imbecile Palmer. Given this, it is hardly surprising that Abbott's government is having a hard time getting legislation through this Senate. Time to abolish preferential voting in the Senate. This Senate is a demonstration of what can go wrong with preferential voting and it needs to be abolished before the next election if we are to see a Senate that doesn't include nutjobs with less than 0.5% of the vote.

Stop making excuses .. did you even read the article? Only twice in 50 yrs has the govt. had a majority in the senate. You can't blame the senate just because Abbott has no idea how to negotiate.

Perhaps he could get Maria to negotiate for him?

Oh yes! Maria is fantastic. I hear she once negotiated for a 5 year old to share their sneakers bar with her.

She lost.

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Reply #14 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:21am

Johnsmith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:16am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 5:46am:

When you have the ALP controlling a large chunk of the Senate and they block budget measures they advocated before the September 2013 election, it makes passing anything but the most benign legislation exceptionally difficult. Labor is seething at losing in 2013 and are simply being childishly petulant, obstructionist and vindictive because they got their arses handed to them by Abbott, of all people. On top of this is the problem of the Independent lunatics, such as Lambie, Lazarus and lets not forget that imbecile Palmer. Given this, it is hardly surprising that Abbott's government is having a hard time getting legislation through this Senate. Time to abolish preferential voting in the Senate. This Senate is a demonstration of what can go wrong with preferential voting and it needs to be abolished before the next election if we are to see a Senate that doesn't include nutjobs with less than 0.5% of the vote.

Stop making excuses .. did you even read the article? Only twice in 50 yrs has the govt. had a majority in the senate. You can't blame the senate just because Abbott has no idea how to negotiate.

Perhaps he could get Maria to negotiate for him?

Exactly. Howard managed to negotiate with the senate despite not having control over it for some time. Rudd and Gillard were able to negotiate with the Coalition during their six years in office. It's only now, with Abbott in office, that the senate has become so obstructionist. The ALP and Greens, along with Lambie and that motoring idiot simply don't like Abbott and are putting personal feelings ahead of professional duty.

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