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stunspore Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5097 Gender:	Re: Why we need a Union Royal Commission Reply #30 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:59pm Also interesting of note, when Maria fails to win an argument or it becomes unreasonable to hold on to a particular line she goes all quiet.
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Re: Why we need a Union Royal Commission
Reply #31 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:15pm

mariacostel wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:53pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:44pm:

mariacostel wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:17pm:

mariacostel wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:11pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:03pm:

mariacostel wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 4:58pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 4:57pm:

Here is the entire:

Link.

I don't see this as a justification for a RC when whatever it is is uncovered by police work in the first place...and then handed to the RC.

It is an unnecessary middle man.

Wrong. It was uncovered by investigators working with the RC. You are lying.

....and who do you reckon those investigators are, melielongtime? Where do you reckon they got plucked from. Some secret cave where dormant RC investigators live and whenever there is a RC, they come prancing out?

And so you keep on defending criminal behaviour? Well of course you do. What Taxi driver hasn't done time (or will)?

So, I assume you now understand that the RC investigators are coppers.

Yeas?

Assigned to investigate alongside the RC. Correct?

But the important thing is why you continue to reject ANY INVESTIGATION into the unions. Are you on the take yourself?

So, now you back pedal on telling me I was a liar when I posted this:

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I don't see this as a justification for a RC when whatever it is is uncovered by police work in the first place...and then handed to the RC.

It is an unnecessary middle man.

Gawd, you are atrocious.

Further, if you can show me where I did this:

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But the important thing is why you continue to reject ANY INVESTIGATION into the unions. Are you on the take yourself

....I will donate $1,000.00 to any charity you nominate.

Because it would be possible to prove ANYTHING to you? give it a rest and how about donate to a charity anyhow. Perhaps use the money some poor passenger left in your taxi and couldn't be found when they asked?

that's a fairly easy one to prove isn't it Maria? you just have to put up him rejecting any investigation into unions? Even he can't deny it if he said it. .... care to put up?

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Re: Why we need a Union Royal Commission
Reply #32 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:15pm

mariacostel wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:54pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Seriously, how many times do we need to talk about the same crap?

The exact same outcomes could've been obtained via normal police investigations.

Or, if we really want to stem out corruption then setup a body at the federal level. But not just looking into unions, but into lobby groups, political groups, industry groups, etc. etc. etc.

It's not like corruption is limited to unions. Tony Abbott himself is a corrupt person - should have an RC into just him?

Oooh - poll time!

So why do we have an RC into Child Abuse? Do you think that should be stopped as well?

That's actually easy.

1. It's been a systematic problem across many places (especially churches)
2. Many cases can no longer be prosecuted because of the statute of limitations. Hence an RC becomes a lot more reasonable here, given it won't do the job of trying to charge someone, but rather make recommendations on how to stop abuse in the future.
3. Many victims of paedo priests are too ashamed/afraid to come forward, and the RC gives them a much less hostile environment than the cops.

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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Why we need a Union Royal Commission Reply #33 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:19pm stunspore wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:59pm: Also interesting of note, when Maria fails to win an argument or it becomes unreasonable to hold on to a particular line[highlight] she goes all quiet. [/highlight] Not that there's anything....
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Re: Why we need a Union Royal Commission
Reply #34 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:24pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:56pm:

mariacostel wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:54pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Seriously, how many times do we need to talk about the same crap?

The exact same outcomes could've been obtained via normal police investigations.

Or, if we really want to stem out corruption then setup a body at the federal level. But not just looking into unions, but into lobby groups, political groups, industry groups, etc. etc. etc.

It's not like corruption is limited to unions. Tony Abbott himself is a corrupt person - should have an RC into just him?

Oooh - poll time!

So why do we have an RC into Child Abuse? Do you think that should be stopped as well?

Perhaps you ought ask....'so why do we have Royal Commissions.' Would you know the answer?

To reach a conclusion already arrived at, and to then wrap it in a cloak of respectability.

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Re: Why we need a Union Royal Commission
Reply #35 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:25pm

stunspore wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:59pm:

Also interesting of note, when Maria fails to win an argument or it becomes unreasonable to hold on to a particular line she goes all quiet.

Well - we'd have to take a...................... long... view of that.....since the behaviour pattern seems familiar............

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mariacostel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7344 Sydney Gender:	Re: Why we need a Union Royal Commission Reply #36 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:27pm stunspore wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:58pm: And how well has that RC into child abuse went...has it lead to disbarring those religious groups from existing? Because I think Maria would love to find any excuse to have those unions cease to be as well. Silly, pointless and unsupported assertion. Rejected.
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Re: Why we need a Union Royal Commission
Reply #37 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:28pm

Johnsmith wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:47pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Or, if we really want to stem out corruption then setup a body at the federal level. But not just looking into unions, but into lobby groups, political groups, industry groups, etc. etc. etc.

We need a federal ICAC

As stated previously by me....we had one and that organization is on my resume.

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Re: Why we need a Union Royal Commission
Reply #38 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:29pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:15pm:

mariacostel wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:54pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Seriously, how many times do we need to talk about the same crap?

The exact same outcomes could've been obtained via normal police investigations.

Or, if we really want to stem out corruption then setup a body at the federal level. But not just looking into unions, but into lobby groups, political groups, industry groups, etc. etc. etc.

It's not like corruption is limited to unions. Tony Abbott himself is a corrupt person - should have an RC into just him?

Oooh - poll time!

So why do we have an RC into Child Abuse? Do you think that should be stopped as well?

That's actually easy.

1. It's been a systematic problem across many places (especially churches)
2. Many cases can no longer be prosecuted because of the statute of limitations. Hence an RC becomes a lot more reasonable here, given it won't do the job of trying to charge someone, but rather make recommendations on how to stop abuse in the future.
3. Many victims of paedo priests are too ashamed/afraid to come forward, and the RC gives them a much less hostile environment than the cops.

Why don't you think those first two point don't perfectly fit as an argument for a Union RC? It certainly has been a systemic (that's the word you should have used) problem.

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Re: Why we need a Union Royal Commission
Reply #39 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:30pm

mariacostel wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:27pm:

stunspore wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:58pm:

And how well has that RC into child abuse went...has it lead to disbarring those religious groups from existing? Because I think Maria would love to find any excuse to have those unions cease to be as well.

Silly, pointless and unsupported assertion. Rejected.

Let me guess, Maria believes in Santa?

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Johnsmith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4716 Gender:	Re: Why we need a Union Royal Commission Reply #40 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:31pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:30pm: Let me guess, Maria believes in Santa? only the liberal santa ... the labor ones a fraud
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Why we need a Union Royal Commission Reply #41 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:32pm Sir Prince Duke Olive Oil....could you give your polls a bit of a rest please? They're really kinda ... ya know ... stupid.
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Re: Why we need a Union Royal Commission
Reply #42 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:32pm

Johnsmith wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:15pm:

that's a fairly easy one to prove isn't it Maria? you just have to put up him rejecting any investigation into unions? Even he can't deny it if he said it. .... care to put up?

bump for Maria .... you going to keep making claims and running away all day, or do you think you might just once support your claim?

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Re: Why we need a Union Royal Commission
Reply #43 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:33pm

mariacostel wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:29pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:15pm:

mariacostel wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:54pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Seriously, how many times do we need to talk about the same crap?

The exact same outcomes could've been obtained via normal police investigations.

Or, if we really want to stem out corruption then setup a body at the federal level. But not just looking into unions, but into lobby groups, political groups, industry groups, etc. etc. etc.

It's not like corruption is limited to unions. Tony Abbott himself is a corrupt person - should have an RC into just him?

Oooh - poll time!

So why do we have an RC into Child Abuse? Do you think that should be stopped as well?

That's actually easy.

1. It's been a systematic problem across many places (especially churches)
2. Many cases can no longer be prosecuted because of the statute of limitations. Hence an RC becomes a lot more reasonable here, given it won't do the job of trying to charge someone, but rather make recommendations on how to stop abuse in the future.
3. Many victims of paedo priests are too ashamed/afraid to come forward, and the RC gives them a much less hostile environment than the cops.

Why don't you think those first two point don't perfectly fit as an argument for a Union RC? It certainly has been a systemic (that's the word you should have used) problem.

You have a double negative there. Grin

I'm asking why only the unions. If we want an RC into corruption then do it for all organisations. Not just trade unions. Have it for lobby groups, political groups, industry groups.

we didn't have the RC into child abuse just probe the church, regardless that it's where the majority of abuse occured.

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Johnsmith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4716 Gender:	Re: Why we need a Union Royal Commission Reply #44 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:34pm Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:32pm: Sir Prince Duke Olive Oil....could you give your polls a bit of a rest. They're really kinda ... ya know ... stupid. if he doesn't do them then that idiot armpit will ... Alevine is just using the only method available to stop armpit
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Question: Should we have a RC into the Liberal Party?
Yes 1 (14.3%) Definitely 0 (0.0%) All of the above 6 (85.7%) Total votes: 7 « Created by: sir prince duke alevine on: Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:45pm »