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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Why we need a Union Royal Commission Reply #45 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:34pm If the union movement has nothing to hide then it has nothing to fear. Yet all we can smell is their fear. Funny that.
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Re: Why we need a Union Royal Commission
Reply #46 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:35pm

mariacostel wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:10pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:00pm:

mariacostel wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

Link please. Because we all know you cant.

Once again you prove you haven't a clue what you are on about Cheesy

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/qld-lnps-donations-fo...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-30/call-political-donation-reform-after-mafia...

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3241673/call-to-investigate-agls-political-don...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-21/nt-political-parties-fail-to-properly-disc...

And as expected, you proved no such proof. Police investigations and a complaint by someone are two very different things as you clearly and repeatedly fail to understand.

Meanwhile, union leaders are being investigated, charged and jailed from criminal acts. Try and stay on the actual topic.

A comprehensive list of each conviction would help.....

Robbing your employer is not indicative of wrongdoing by the employer... that's two down..... using your position without permission of your employer to gain and advantage is not indicative of wrongdoing by the employer.....

Why is there any focus on unions when the actions of a few employees of unions are a problem? Hardly worth the many millions of dollar poured into it to maybe get four charges (so far) or even maybe ten or eleven? And all for NOTHING to do with the employer - the Union - but the actions of the individuals employed by it.

Investigations by police follow allegations made or genuine leads - most such are the result of complaints.

To date the Royal Commission has lead to police laying four charges - on three individuals - two of those individuals did nothing more than negotiate on behalf off their members, and are somehow accused of 'standing over' management - who coincidentally hold the money and the power in the negotiation, and have every option of placing any issue of 'standover' with police for action, and are an equal party to any deal made - in writing.

Should be a walk-up start:-

Downe at Ye Olde Star Chamber Courte:-

"Mr Muggamanaga - did you sign this agreement?"

"Yes!"

"Were there witnesses present to your signature?"

"Yes - my fellow negotiators and the Union men!"

"Then you signed this in front of witnesses?"

"Why are we here?"

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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: Why we need a Union Royal Commission Reply #47 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:35pm Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:32pm: Sir Prince Duke Olive Oil....could you give your polls a bit of a rest please? They're really kinda ... ya know ... stupid. I will when I get over it. But at this moment I can definitely see why Armpit enjoys doing stupid polls.
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Johnsmith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4716 Gender:	Re: Why we need a Union Royal Commission Reply #49 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:36pm Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:34pm: If the union movement has nothing to hide then it has nothing to fear. Yet all we can smell is their fear. Funny that. If the libs have nothing to hide they have nothing to fear . Yet all we can smell is their fear. Funny that.
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Re: Why we need a Union Royal Commission
Reply #50 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:36pm

Johnsmith wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:34pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:32pm:

Sir Prince Duke Olive Oil....could you give your polls a bit of a rest.

They're really kinda ... ya know ... stupid. Roll Eyes

if he doesn't do them then that idiot armpit will ... Alevine is just using the only method available to stop armpit

I've not really noticed AP's polls.

I guess I will from now on.

Thanks for the heads up.

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Re: Why we need a Union Royal Commission
Reply #51 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:37pm

Johnsmith wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:36pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:34pm:

If the union movement has nothing to hide then it has nothing to fear.

Yet all we can smell is their fear.

Funny that. Roll Eyes

If the libs have nothing to hide they have nothing to fear .

Yet all we can smell is their fear.

Funny that. Roll Eyes

Wrong topic.

Copy Cat!

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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: Why we need a Union Royal Commission Reply #52 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:38pm Johnsmith wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:31pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:30pm: Let me guess, Maria believes in Santa? only the liberal santa ... the labor ones a fraud And don't even begin to talk about the greens one!
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Re: Why we need a Union Royal Commission
Reply #53 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:38pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

mariacostel wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:29pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:15pm:

mariacostel wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:54pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Seriously, how many times do we need to talk about the same crap?

The exact same outcomes could've been obtained via normal police investigations.

Or, if we really want to stem out corruption then setup a body at the federal level. But not just looking into unions, but into lobby groups, political groups, industry groups, etc. etc. etc.

It's not like corruption is limited to unions. Tony Abbott himself is a corrupt person - should have an RC into just him?

Oooh - poll time!

So why do we have an RC into Child Abuse? Do you think that should be stopped as well?

That's actually easy.

1. It's been a systematic problem across many places (especially churches)
2. Many cases can no longer be prosecuted because of the statute of limitations. Hence an RC becomes a lot more reasonable here, given it won't do the job of trying to charge someone, but rather make recommendations on how to stop abuse in the future.
3. Many victims of paedo priests are too ashamed/afraid to come forward, and the RC gives them a much less hostile environment than the cops.

Why don't you think those first two point don't perfectly fit as an argument for a Union RC? It certainly has been a systemic (that's the word you should have used) problem.

You have a double negative there. Grin

I'm asking why only the unions. If we want an RC into corruption then do it for all organisations. Not just trade unions. Have it for lobby groups, political groups, industry groups.

we didn't have the RC into child abuse just probe the church, regardless that it's where the majority of abuse occured.

You appear to be ignorant of the facts or did you miss the never-ending list of media and entertainment names accused and convicted of this?

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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: Why we need a Union Royal Commission Reply #54 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:39pm I'll do you a deal Lisa, I'll only do them in armpit threads.
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Re: Why we need a Union Royal Commission
Reply #55 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:41pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:31pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:30pm:

Let me guess, Maria believes in Santa?

only the liberal santa ... the labor ones a fraud Cheesy

And don't even begin to talk about the greens one!

he's too stoned to do anything Cheesy

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Re: Why we need a Union Royal Commission
Reply #56 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:41pm

mariacostel wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

mariacostel wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:29pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:15pm:

mariacostel wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:54pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Seriously, how many times do we need to talk about the same crap?

The exact same outcomes could've been obtained via normal police investigations.

Or, if we really want to stem out corruption then setup a body at the federal level. But not just looking into unions, but into lobby groups, political groups, industry groups, etc. etc. etc.

It's not like corruption is limited to unions. Tony Abbott himself is a corrupt person - should have an RC into just him?

Oooh - poll time!

So why do we have an RC into Child Abuse? Do you think that should be stopped as well?

That's actually easy.

1. It's been a systematic problem across many places (especially churches)
2. Many cases can no longer be prosecuted because of the statute of limitations. Hence an RC becomes a lot more reasonable here, given it won't do the job of trying to charge someone, but rather make recommendations on how to stop abuse in the future.
3. Many victims of paedo priests are too ashamed/afraid to come forward, and the RC gives them a much less hostile environment than the cops.

Why don't you think those first two point don't perfectly fit as an argument for a Union RC? It certainly has been a systemic (that's the word you should have used) problem.

You have a double negative there. Grin

I'm asking why only the unions. If we want an RC into corruption then do it for all organisations. Not just trade unions. Have it for lobby groups, political groups, industry groups.

we didn't have the RC into child abuse just probe the church, regardless that it's where the majority of abuse occured.

You appear to be ignorant of the facts or did you miss the never-ending list of media and entertainment names accused and convicted of this?

Hammm the RC doesn't convict and the RC wasn't responsible for the convictions of celebrities like Rolfe Harris. Ffs do you know anything, double negative?

It is without doubt that the majority of abuse in institutions occured in churches. The best thing the RC could do is recommend we shut down loony religious nonsense but unfortunately the nutties will scream about their right to believe in bullsh1t, regardless that it creates an avenue for kiddy fiddling.

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Re: Why we need a Union Royal Commission
Reply #57 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:42pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:36pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:34pm:

If the union movement has nothing to hide then it has nothing to fear.

Yet all we can smell is their fear.

Funny that. Roll Eyes

If the libs have nothing to hide they have nothing to fear .

Yet all we can smell is their fear.

Funny that. Roll Eyes

Wrong topic.

Copy Cat!

have you even read the thread?

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Re: Why we need a Union Royal Commission
Reply #58 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:42pm

Johnsmith wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:31pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:30pm:

Let me guess, Maria believes in Santa?

only the liberal santa ... the labor ones a fraud Cheesy

And don't even begin to talk about the greens one!

he's too stoned to do anything Cheesy

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Why we need a Union Royal Commission Reply #59 - Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:44pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 6:39pm: I'll do you a deal Lisa, I'll only do them in armpit threads. Lol...ok. Bottom line? No change. As you can see, I wasn't aware there was a Poll War going on btwn you 2. It's amazing to see just how creative online feuds can be these days.
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