I don't think many people actually think students are terrorists - often just misguided youth.  I used to know a medical student, great beard etc - who later became the President of the NSW Branch of the AMA... still radical.... in a conservative way - meaning he was openly critical of government at times.

Some may go into the Labor party etc - but Labor is not communist as such, but more of a kind of cafe socialist group.  I doubt they'd have the balls to be communist.

And this is why foreign governments will not work with Australia outside of pretending to be friends on the media.

Low standards and an inferiority complex combined with a lack of perspective and efficiency. And systemic corruption and attempts to exert influence to the point of treason and becoming international security risks.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 9:32pm:



I'd say at least 10 times the level they'll find in the unions .... they can start with the purchasing officers for the Port Kembla steelworks ... a friend of mine who was a quantity surveyor for them allowed $5000 to paint 4 concrete walls in what was supposed to be a electrical switch room no bigger than your average bathroom. He told me he didn't allow enough, the job was given to someone who charged $6500. Only had to paint 4 walls, 2 coats ... no ceilings, no windows and 1 door. One man, half a days work at the most. I would have done it at the time for about $500 but that I couldn't get a look in as I wouldn't pay the bribes.

The purchasing officer in charge of that section of the steelworks one Christmas found a brand new Harley Davidson sitting in his driveway complete with keys and title, anonymous gift. He also received about $2000 worth off instant lottery tickets every week. Once you got a job as purchasing officer for any large company, you hang onto it for life or until they get rid of you.

Big business is all run on scams. You want the contract, you pay the price.

easel wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 9:12pm:


Hmm - agents' provocateurs actions - the FBI in the US was panned for that by a US judge......

These are his words in that exact case - though I quote them in other contexts as well:-

'The power of government is abused and directed to an end for which it is not constituted when employed to promote rather than to detect crime and to bring about the downfall of those who, left to themselves, might well have obeyed the law.  Human nature is weak enough and sufficiently beset by temptations without government adding to them and generating crime'.

- Justice Felix Frankfurter, US Supreme Court.

The exact issue he was discussing was agents inspiring and inciting a 'suspect' to carry out an act and then arresting him.

I've seen this, and witnessed this, personally:

In the early 2000's, there was an ex special forces soldier, extremely loyal to his country.

He was told that he was going to be offered a job in intelligence. His job was to plant a bomb in a public place to cause panic and not kill anyone.

He agreed.

On the way to performing the action, he was arrested, detained in secret and went to trial.

The Pentagon found out and ASIO and AFP lost their employment contracts.

The reason it happened was because he was an upstanding soldier, loyal to a fault, and people who did not have the fortitude to enter in to a combat zone overseas were jealous and wanted to ruin him, leaving him with the thoughts that he had risked his life and killed in the past, and put his spiritual integrity in the hands of others, for a cause that didn't want or need him.

He was exonerated and ASIO and the AFP are still feeling the international sanctions to this day.

easel wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 10:17pm:



This.. rings a bell.....

further proof we need an RC into the liberal parties corrupt actions with business



Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger wrote to party members to advise them that MP mail-outs were handled by a printing company that allegedly paid kickbacks to former party state director Damian Mantach.

"Our own preliminary enquiries seem to point to Mr Mantach having entered into an arrangement with an external mail house whereby Mr Mantach encouraged the mail house to increase invoices for work undertaken for both the party and for some Victorian and Federal Liberal Party MPs, so as to charge more than was actually owing," the letter read.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-25/victorian-liberals-pay-back-almost-200000/...

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:


Wrong. Police don't have the same powers as a Royal Commissioner. You can choose not to speak to Police but do not have that luxury at a Royal Commission. Try that and you can wind up in jail for contempt.