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Aug 27th, 2015 at 1:13pm
 
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Public servants should pull their weight at work or look for a new job, the Public Service Commissioner has warned.
The blunt assessment from Commissioner John Lloyd comes as he prepares to unveil new rules making it easier for bosses in the Commonwealth bureaucracy to sack underperformers.


Mr Lloyd also says he is going to make the public service's notoriously slow hiring process quicker and easier and give departments more opportunities to use temps, part-timers and contractors.


The commissioner shared his vision of a transformed Australian Public Service workforce with delegates at the Australian Human Resources Institute national conference in Melbourne on Monday.

But Mr Lloyd's vision of the future might be an unsettling one for many of the Commonwealth's 160,000 public servants.

The commissioner signalled he would soon be ready for the next offensive in his war on underperformers, and he says he has the backing of the APS rank-and-file.

"The APS has struggled to effectively manage underperformance," he told the conference

"This is a clear and consistent message from employees themselves."

There was a blunt message for those who were not contributing, with Mr Lloyd saying the APS should take a leaf from the private sector's book on dealing with slackers.

"Public servants who are not engaged by their work or cannot contribute at the required level should consider seeking other opportunities," he said."This could be another APS role or something outside the APS.

"Some companies actively manage out the bottom 10 per cent of performers every year.

"Commercial pressures mean a private sector manager cannot 'carry' someone who is underperforming.

"Why should people and how they perform be any less important in the public sector? Public resources are as important as those allocated by shareholders."

Mr Lloyd said that performance management was not about retribution, although an employee might end the process looking for another jobs.

"Performance management should not be punitive," the commissioner said. "Although the end may be a separation."

A speedier recruitment process was also badly needed in the public service, Mr Lloyd told his audience, and time-wasting had to stop.

The service's famously time-consuming application forms should go and marathon interviews should also be consigned to history, the commissioner said.

"It takes too long to recruit someone into the APS," he said.

"A good outcome is to welcome someone within 10 to 12 weeks of commencing the process.

"We have to ensure that fair treatment and merit selection underpin the recruitment of staff. But there are more efficient methods available.

"Applications should be succinct, interviews short and focused and referee checks limited to genuine contenders."

The public service should also get used to seeing more temporary workers, contractors, part-timers and casuals making up its ranks and it should be easier for bosses in the bureaucracy to get non-full time workers onto their books.
"The APS, like other sectors, will have to access non-ongoing employees, contractors, labour hires, part-time and casual employees," Mr Lloyd told the conference.

"The access should not be unduly complicated or restricted."



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Reply #1 - Aug 27th, 2015 at 1:15pm
 
as long as they weed out the under performers and don't use it as an excuse to advance their office politics or their own careers, I'm all for it.
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Reply #3 - Aug 28th, 2015 at 9:51am
 
I am guessing we will see the likes of Greg a lot less now that he is going to have to actually work.
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Reply #4 - Aug 28th, 2015 at 11:01am
 
mariacostel wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 9:51am:
I am guessing we will see the likes of Greg a lot less now that he is going to have to actually work.


I doubt that a queue will form outside Maria Costel's Wigwam.
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Reply #5 - Aug 28th, 2015 at 11:17am
 
Starve them of funds and then they will get their house in order Wink

They all should get a pay cut of 30%. And some of the top earners that get 200K or more  should have their pay packets capped at 200K. And all of this bullshit about having to pay public servants a lot of money to attract the best is absolute nonsense. Most of these public servants couldn't hold down a job in private enterprise anyway !!
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Reply #6 - Aug 28th, 2015 at 11:26am
 
mariacostel wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 9:51am:
I am guessing we will see the likes of Greg a lot less now that he is going to have to actually work.



Public service?  I wish I had it so easy.

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Reply #7 - Aug 28th, 2015 at 11:38am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 11:26am:
mariacostel wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 9:51am:
I am guessing we will see the likes of Greg a lot less now that he is going to have to actually work.



Public service?  I wish I had it so easy.



You reckon it would be better than driving the club bus with all those drunken pensioners in it eh Greg?
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Reply #8 - Aug 28th, 2015 at 11:45am
 
if they remove all those that really dont do much.. they wont have many left...lolololol.. and thats starting at the top..

if they didnt have meetings they would be flat out having a reason to pop in now and then...

this is amazing news....its not just performance its the nepotism, favoritism and looking after mates that pizzzes most off...the culture in the P.S. is toxic to say the least and that goes for all areas...

I wish John Lloyd well with this endeavor...

we will now see sircrock come out screaming about poor P.S.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #9 - Aug 28th, 2015 at 11:49am
 
Good to see that the Howard-implemented tyranny over one of the purported checks and balances/divisions of power - i.e. an independent public service (something I'm certain about two of you understand) - has moved a step closer under the despotic regime of Uncle To.



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Reply #10 - Aug 28th, 2015 at 11:56am
 
cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 11:45am:
if they didnt have meetings they would be flat out having a reason to pop in now and then...



I tried out the public service a couple of times, and the meetings are just insane.

We would actually hold meetings, to decide when to hold further meetings.

It's crazy.

I don't know how anyone could "work" in the public service - too boring and too structured for me, and far too many meetings.

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greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 11:56am:
cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 11:45am:
if they didnt have meetings they would be flat out having a reason to pop in now and then...



I tried out the public service a couple of times, and the meetings are just insane.

We would actually hold meetings, to decide when to hold further meetings.

It's crazy.

I don't know how anyone could "work" in the public service - too boring and too structured for me, and far too many meetings.





meetings are work for a lot of them as without them they wouldnt know how to fill their day..

something I have just learnt now this will turn your toes up...my daughter has worked for a certain section of the public service for many years .. she said something yesterday which shocked me.. she said I am taking a man rec day off on Monday....I looked at her and said oh yes.. right whats that.. you know its a mandatory recreation DAY....

no I dont .. I had never heard it before she then says we get two man rec days a qtr.. and if we dont take them we lose them and mine are due again in Sept....

well after I came out of my shock she explained it has gone on for years...when she has referred to rec days.. I am thinking they are days shes earnt somehow...but NO... every person gets 2 mandatory rec days per QTR 8 per year on top of everything else.....so you can imagine the rush to take them because they cant carry them forward...


and they call us the silly country. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

and crock feels sorry for this lot.
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cods wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 7:58pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 11:56am:
cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 11:45am:
if they didnt have meetings they would be flat out having a reason to pop in now and then...



I tried out the public service a couple of times, and the meetings are just insane.

We would actually hold meetings, to decide when to hold further meetings.

It's crazy.

I don't know how anyone could "work" in the public service - too boring and too structured for me, and far too many meetings.





meetings are work for a lot of them as without them they wouldnt know how to fill their day..



You are 100% correct.

For me, meetings are death.

I would rather kill myself than attend another Public Service meeting.

At the start of this new financial year, I started working for myself.

I don't hold meetings.

I "meet" with people (over a coffeewine), determine what has to be done, and then get on with it.

Scheduled, official meetings kill productivity.
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cods wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 7:58pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 11:56am:
cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 11:45am:
if they didnt have meetings they would be flat out having a reason to pop in now and then...



I tried out the public service a couple of times, and the meetings are just insane.

We would actually hold meetings, to decide when to hold further meetings.

It's crazy.

I don't know how anyone could "work" in the public service - too boring and too structured for me, and far too many meetings.





meetings are work for a lot of them as without them they wouldnt know how to fill their day..

something I have just learnt now this will turn your toes up...my daughter has worked for a certain section of the public service for many years .. she said something yesterday which shocked me.. she said I am taking a man rec day off on Monday....I looked at her and said oh yes.. right whats that.. you know its a mandatory recreation DAY....

no I dont .. I had never heard it before she then says we get two man rec days a qtr.. and if we dont take them we lose them and mine are due again in Sept....

well after I came out of my shock she explained it has gone on for years...when she has referred to rec days.. I am thinking they are days shes earnt somehow...but NO... every person gets 2 mandatory rec days per QTR 8 per year on top of everything else.....so you can imagine the rush to take them because they cant carry them forward...


and they call us the silly country. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

and crock feels sorry for this lot.


Actually, those days are negotiated as part of the Union agreement with the government.  Defence gets the same under the DECA (Defence Employees Conditions Agreement).  Who would have thought you would be amazed that your Daughter is taking advantage of UNION facilitated conditions of service.

I would hope you are strongly advising her to give these up -  and work all her required days - noting you adhorance to Unions in general?
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Reply #14 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 8:17pm
 
Johnsmith wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 1:15pm:
as long as they weed out the under performers and don't use it as an excuse to advance their office politics or their own careers, I'm all for it.


kevin rudd said that the public service was bloated and would cut its numbers if elected...

instead.. he employed 20,000 more of the lazy fkers...

he couldn't create jobs so he invented them...  Angry
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