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New Zealand selects LMT rifle for Steyr replacemen
Aug 27^th, 2015 at 8:33pm

Previously New Zealand was purchasing Australian designed and manufactured small arms.

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The New Zealand MoD was authorised in May 2014 to undertake a tender to purchase 8,800 'off-the-shelf' replacement rifles and associated accessories. A key requirement is that the new weapon with suitable sights should be able to detect, identify, and engage adversaries at both close quarters and at distances of up to 500 m in daylight.

http://www.janes.com/article/53827/new-zealand-selects-lmt-rifle-for-steyr-repla...

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Brian Ross Moderator Offline Representative of me Posts: 42342	Re: New Zealand selects LMT rifle for Steyr replacemen Reply #1 - Aug 28^th, 2015 at 10:19pm Not going to achieve that engagement range very effectively with a 14in barrel length.
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: New Zealand selects LMT rifle for Steyr replacemen Reply #2 - Aug 28^th, 2015 at 10:41pm Not sure the Steyr was aussie designed
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Brian Ross Moderator Offline Representative of me Posts: 42342	Re: New Zealand selects LMT rifle for Steyr replacemen Reply #3 - Aug 28^th, 2015 at 11:16pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 10:41pm: Not sure the Steyr was aussie designed It wasn't. It is Austrian originally.
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: New Zealand selects LMT rifle for Steyr replacemen Reply #4 - Aug 28^th, 2015 at 11:41pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 11:16pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 10:41pm: Not sure the Steyr was aussie designed It wasn't. It is Austrian originally. i knew it but was trying to b e subtle
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easel Gold Member Offline Posts: 3120	Re: New Zealand selects LMT rifle for Steyr replacemen Reply #5 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 2:22pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 10:41pm: Not sure the Steyr was aussie designed F88 is different in design to Steyr AUG. But looks nearly identical.
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Reply #6 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 2:32pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 10:19pm:

Not going to achieve that engagement range very effectively with a 14in barrel length.

you can do it these days with faster burning/faster expanding powders. The powder burns so fast the energy out of a 14inch barrel is that of a 20inch barrel.

The breech and barrel have to be tougher than normal though to prevent the breech blowing up or the barrel warping from the higher pressures.

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Reply #7 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:20pm

easel wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 2:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 10:19pm:

Not going to achieve that engagement range very effectively with a 14in barrel length.

you can do it these days with faster burning/faster expanding powders. The powder burns so fast the energy out of a 14inch barrel is that of a 20inch barrel.

The breech and barrel have to be tougher than normal though to prevent the breech blowing up or the barrel warping from the higher pressures.

Then they won't be using the Australian manufactured ss109 ammunition we currently use in our weapons as it loses way too much muzzle velocity in the shorter barrels.

Well they are a dinky little army anyway, they could just buy a couple of packets of 223 at the local gun shop.

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Reply #8 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:23pm

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:20pm:

easel wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 2:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 10:19pm:

Not going to achieve that engagement range very effectively with a 14in barrel length.

you can do it these days with faster burning/faster expanding powders. The powder burns so fast the energy out of a 14inch barrel is that of a 20inch barrel.

The breech and barrel have to be tougher than normal though to prevent the breech blowing up or the barrel warping from the higher pressures.

Then they won't be using the Australian manufactured ss109 ammunition we currently use in our weapons as it loses way too much muzzle velocity in the shorter barrels.

Well they are a dinky little army anyway, they could just buy a couple of packets of 223 at the local gun shop.

Australian stuff isn't really SS109.

Australian rifles are not compatible with foreign ammunition that is SS109. Australian rifles cannot be supplied by foreign supply chains. If operating with other militaries using 5.56 ammunition, Australia cannot use their rounds if running short. Everyone else can share the NATO round. And now so can New Zealand.

It looks identical but it isn't.

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Brian Ross Moderator Offline Representative of me Posts: 42342	Re: New Zealand selects LMT rifle for Steyr replacemen Reply #9 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 6:40pm easel wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 2:22pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 10:41pm: Not sure the Steyr was aussie designed F88 is different in design to Steyr AUG. But looks nearly identical. You're talking about externals. Internally it is identical to a Steyr AUG.
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Re: New Zealand selects LMT rifle for Steyr replacemen
Reply #10 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 6:41pm

easel wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 2:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 10:19pm:

Not going to achieve that engagement range very effectively with a 14in barrel length.

you can do it these days with faster burning/faster expanding powders. The powder burns so fast the energy out of a 14inch barrel is that of a 20inch barrel.

The breech and barrel have to be tougher than normal though to prevent the breech blowing up or the barrel warping from the higher pressures.

So, you're suggesting that the New Zealand Army is not going to utilise STANAG ammunition? Roll Eyes

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Reply #11 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 6:43pm

easel wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:23pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:20pm:

easel wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 2:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 10:19pm:

Not going to achieve that engagement range very effectively with a 14in barrel length.

you can do it these days with faster burning/faster expanding powders. The powder burns so fast the energy out of a 14inch barrel is that of a 20inch barrel.

The breech and barrel have to be tougher than normal though to prevent the breech blowing up or the barrel warping from the higher pressures.

Then they won't be using the Australian manufactured ss109 ammunition we currently use in our weapons as it loses way too much muzzle velocity in the shorter barrels.

Well they are a dinky little army anyway, they could just buy a couple of packets of 223 at the local gun shop.

Australian stuff isn't really SS109.

Australian rifles are not compatible with foreign ammunition that is SS109. Australian rifles cannot be supplied by foreign supply chains. If operating with other militaries using 5.56 ammunition, Australia cannot use their rounds if running short. Everyone else can share the NATO round. And now so can New Zealand.

It looks identical but it isn't.

Australian ammunition is STANAG compliant 5.56x45mm SS109 ammunition. Not sure where you're getting your info from except out of your bum, Easel. Roll Eyes

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Re: New Zealand selects LMT rifle for Steyr replacemen
Reply #12 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 6:45pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 6:40pm:

easel wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 2:22pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 10:41pm:

Not sure the Steyr was aussie designed

F88 is different in design to Steyr AUG. But looks nearly identical.

You're talking about externals. Internally it is identical to a Steyr AUG.

No it's not. If you mean the A3, there are major external differences.

Internally it is dissimilar to an AUG.

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Reply #13 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 6:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 6:43pm:

easel wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:23pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:20pm:

easel wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 2:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 10:19pm:

Not going to achieve that engagement range very effectively with a 14in barrel length.

you can do it these days with faster burning/faster expanding powders. The powder burns so fast the energy out of a 14inch barrel is that of a 20inch barrel.

The breech and barrel have to be tougher than normal though to prevent the breech blowing up or the barrel warping from the higher pressures.

Then they won't be using the Australian manufactured ss109 ammunition we currently use in our weapons as it loses way too much muzzle velocity in the shorter barrels.

Well they are a dinky little army anyway, they could just buy a couple of packets of 223 at the local gun shop.

Australian stuff isn't really SS109.

Australian rifles are not compatible with foreign ammunition that is SS109. Australian rifles cannot be supplied by foreign supply chains. If operating with other militaries using 5.56 ammunition, Australia cannot use their rounds if running short. Everyone else can share the NATO round. And now so can New Zealand.

It looks identical but it isn't.

Australian ammunition is STANAG compliant 5.56x45mm SS109 ammunition. Not sure where you're getting your info from except out of your bum, Easel. Roll Eyes

It's incompatible with standard NATO ammunition.

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Reply #14 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 6:47pm

easel wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 6:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 6:40pm:

easel wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 2:22pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 10:41pm:

Not sure the Steyr was aussie designed

F88 is different in design to Steyr AUG. But looks nearly identical.

You're talking about externals. Internally it is identical to a Steyr AUG.

No it's not. If you mean the A3, there are major external differences.

Internally it is dissimilar to an AUG.

Bullshit.

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