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easel Gold Member Offline Posts: 3120	Chinese yacht enters Sydney to Hobart Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 6:53pm Quote: SYDNEY, Sept. 2 (Xinhua) -- China will make its debut in one of the world's most prestigious yacht races, entering a crew into the 2015 Sydney to Hobart Bluewater Classic. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-09/02/c_134580275.htm
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President Elect, The Mechanic Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17501 Gender:	Re: Chinese yacht enters Sydney to Hobart Reply #1 - Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 7:26pm very interesting... I hope they do well..
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Reply #2 - Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 7:42pm

I don't wish ill on the team, but I am not sure this is appropriate.

If you look at Chinese-Australian relations, currently;

You have the FTA which is causing problems with the public

You have the NSW parliament discussing Falun Gong which is causing problems

You have the federal government attempting to misuse US policy and take aim at the Chinese military in the South China Sea

You had the protesters invade the consulate in Sydney

Clearly, there is a problem with Australian-Chinese relations at more than just a government level. And then this happens

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Australia should stay away from South China Sea

http://en.people.cn/n/2015/0610/c90780-8904778.html

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Japanese sea patrols in the South China Sea are unacceptable, but U.S. patrols there will be tolerated, a prominent Chinese general declared

http://www.ibtimes.com/japan-not-welcome-south-china-sea-us-forces-can-patrol-re...

This is diplomatic. In a war with China, USA and Japan are one and the same. By attacking Japan in this manner, it helps increase diplomatic efforts with the USA. Namely, because Japan and China have issues going back before WW2, including the war, and sex slavery and invasions, and other such things.

A common issue Korea also has with Japan. Which is why Korea is used diplomatically to engage with China. Korean public sentiment is very anti Japanese.

And now Australia is in trouble. And unable to be a significant force multiplier in a war. So it is militarily and diplomatically irrelevant.

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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: Chinese yacht enters Sydney to Hobart Reply #3 - Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 9:00pm Curious to know how the Chinese government is backing this entry into the race. Officially they may not be, may not be able to, but to think the Chinese government isn't using this to showcase the country is naive.
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Reply #4 - Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 9:05pm

AiA wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 9:00pm:

Curious to know how the Chinese government is backing this entry into the race. Officially they may not be, may not be able to, but to think the Chinese government isn't using this to showcase the country is naive.

The Australian and Chinese government are having problems with each other.

Of course the crew would have the wishes of the Chinese government in mind and would be aware of the situation and that they are officially-unofficially representing the PRC.

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Re: Chinese yacht enters Sydney to Hobart
Reply #5 - Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 9:31pm

easel wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 9:05pm:

AiA wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 9:00pm:

Curious to know how the Chinese government is backing this entry into the race. Officially they may not be, may not be able to, but to think the Chinese government isn't using this to showcase the country is naive.

The Australian and Chinese government are having problems with each other.

Of course the crew would have the wishes of the Chinese government in mind and would be aware of the situation and that they are officially-unofficially representing the PRC.

Yes, of course the crew has the "wishes of the Chinese government" but I suspect the ties to the government are much more than just good wishes.

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Re: Chinese yacht enters Sydney to Hobart
Reply #6 - Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 9:56pm

easel wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 7:42pm:

I don't wish ill on the team, but I am not sure this is appropriate.

If you look at Chinese-Australian relations, currently;

You have the FTA which is causing problems with the public

You have the NSW parliament discussing Falun Gong which is causing problems

You have the federal government attempting to misuse US policy and take aim at the Chinese military in the South China Sea

You had the protesters invade the consulate in Sydney

Clearly, there is a problem with Australian-Chinese relations at more than just a government level. And then this happens

Quote:

Australia should stay away from South China Sea

http://en.people.cn/n/2015/0610/c90780-8904778.html

Quote:

Japanese sea patrols in the South China Sea are unacceptable, but U.S. patrols there will be tolerated, a prominent Chinese general declared

http://www.ibtimes.com/japan-not-welcome-south-china-sea-us-forces-can-patrol-re...

This is diplomatic. In a war with China, USA and Japan are one and the same. By attacking Japan in this manner, it helps increase diplomatic efforts with the USA. Namely, because Japan and China have issues going back before WW2, including the war, and sex slavery and invasions, and other such things.

A common issue Korea also has with Japan. Which is why Korea is used diplomatically to engage with China. Korean public sentiment is very anti Japanese.

And now Australia is in trouble. And unable to be a significant force multiplier in a war. So it is militarily and diplomatically irrelevant.

Its a sporting event. For someone in intelligence you're a complete dipshit

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Re: Chinese yacht enters Sydney to Hobart
Reply #7 - Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 11:03pm

AiA wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 9:31pm:

easel wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 9:05pm:

AiA wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 9:00pm:

Curious to know how the Chinese government is backing this entry into the race. Officially they may not be, may not be able to, but to think the Chinese government isn't using this to showcase the country is naive.

The Australian and Chinese government are having problems with each other.

Of course the crew would have the wishes of the Chinese government in mind and would be aware of the situation and that they are officially-unofficially representing the PRC.

Yes, of course the crew has the "wishes of the Chinese government" but I suspect the ties to the government are much more than just good wishes.

I agree with that statement and I thought I put forward that point in my previous post.

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Reply #8 - Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 11:04pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 9:56pm:

easel wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 7:42pm:

I don't wish ill on the team, but I am not sure this is appropriate.

If you look at Chinese-Australian relations, currently;

You have the FTA which is causing problems with the public

You have the NSW parliament discussing Falun Gong which is causing problems

You have the federal government attempting to misuse US policy and take aim at the Chinese military in the South China Sea

You had the protesters invade the consulate in Sydney

Clearly, there is a problem with Australian-Chinese relations at more than just a government level. And then this happens

Quote:

Australia should stay away from South China Sea

http://en.people.cn/n/2015/0610/c90780-8904778.html

Quote:

Japanese sea patrols in the South China Sea are unacceptable, but U.S. patrols there will be tolerated, a prominent Chinese general declared

http://www.ibtimes.com/japan-not-welcome-south-china-sea-us-forces-can-patrol-re...

This is diplomatic. In a war with China, USA and Japan are one and the same. By attacking Japan in this manner, it helps increase diplomatic efforts with the USA. Namely, because Japan and China have issues going back before WW2, including the war, and sex slavery and invasions, and other such things.

A common issue Korea also has with Japan. Which is why Korea is used diplomatically to engage with China. Korean public sentiment is very anti Japanese.

And now Australia is in trouble. And unable to be a significant force multiplier in a war. So it is militarily and diplomatically irrelevant.

Its a sporting event. For someone in intelligence you're a complete dipshit

Soft diplomacy. Attack on the integrity of an internationally protected person. Rest of your life.

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easel Gold Member Offline Posts: 3120	Re: Chinese yacht enters Sydney to Hobart Reply #9 - Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 11:05pm Quote: Soft Diplomacy. In a world where international political relations are often dictated by a lumbering softly-softly approach, the power of cultural initiatives to forge more immediate and relatable links between countries cannot be underestimated. ...
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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: Chinese yacht enters Sydney to Hobart Reply #10 - Sep 3^rd, 2015 at 1:06am Chinese culture is devoid of the distinction of "fair play," a familiar concept in Anglosphere. Who knows what resources the Chinese government has funneled to this yacht crew.
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easel Gold Member Offline Posts: 3120	Re: Chinese yacht enters Sydney to Hobart Reply #11 - Sep 3^rd, 2015 at 1:21am AiA wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2015 at 1:06am: Chinese culture is devoid of the distinction of "fair play," a familiar concept in Anglosphere. Who knows what resources the Chinese government has funneled to this yacht crew. Taiwan is Chinese culture.
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Re: Chinese yacht enters Sydney to Hobart
Reply #12 - Sep 3^rd, 2015 at 1:52am

easel wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2015 at 1:21am:

AiA wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2015 at 1:06am:

Chinese culture is devoid of the distinction of "fair play," a familiar concept in Anglosphere. Who knows what resources the Chinese government has funneled to this yacht crew.

Taiwan is Chinese culture.

Uh, that is hardly newsworthy ...

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Reply #13 - Sep 3^rd, 2015 at 2:00am

AiA wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2015 at 1:52am:

easel wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2015 at 1:21am:

AiA wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2015 at 1:06am:

Chinese culture is devoid of the distinction of "fair play," a familiar concept in Anglosphere. Who knows what resources the Chinese government has funneled to this yacht crew.

Taiwan is Chinese culture.

Uh, that is hardly newsworthy ...

I don't know what that means.

But I know you attacked the entire Chinese culture and way of life of all Chinese people. Including those who live here and in places such as Malaysia.

And I was clarifying that perhaps you lack an understanding of what Chinese people are like.

Germany is full of Germans. During the Cold War it was partitioned.

There were political differences. And a shared culture.

If your attitude was the attitude of policy makers, the world would be constantly at war with no room for negotiation, because you can't trust those who are always working to undermine you or those who you think, due to cultural upbringing, are unable to be worked with.

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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: Chinese yacht enters Sydney to Hobart Reply #14 - Sep 3^rd, 2015 at 2:15am okay okay I see now: easel is a chinaman with a chip on this shoulder. I attacked no one. I simply pointed out that "fair play" isn't a cultural attribute of the Chinese ...
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