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Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation
Reply #15 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 6:18pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 2:16pm:

It's those kids who spend their most tender and suggestible years growing up in culturally insular Muslim homes where Islam predominates in every aspect of life who end up as the ones fully 'tooled-up' by the time they 'Get the Call' to active jihad.

It's those kids who have embraced Islam the most - not the least, who get the urge to go and try their luck at being a Warrior for Islam against the Unbelievers and the apostates.

You have some very strange ideas inside your head, Herbie. Very strange. Roll Eyes

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Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation
Reply #16 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 6:47pm

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Why are you asking? You clearly don't need my input when deciding what gandalf says about such matters. Just make some sh*t up like you always do.

I don't think you've ever given a straight answer to that question Gandalf. Under what circumstances should we kill gay people?

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I have never gleaned even the remotest notion that Gandalf is either radicalised or alienated.
What gives you this impression FD?

Lately he often claims to be a standard bearer. He has also given a wide variety of responses on the issue of executing gays. Obviously he isn't a radical by Islamic standards.

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Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation
Reply #18 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 8:41am

Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 5^th, 2015 at 4:56pm:

I heard an interesting interview with a muslim who is studying why young muslims are radicalised. It was on ABC RN Saturday Extra this morning. (Still looking for a poscast)

He reckoned it starts in the family, where the children are really discouraged from mixing with christians and other religions.

A big fear is marrying into other religions so the children are discouraged from mixing

The children grow up with a sense of not belonging in the local society

They tend to the find like minded individuals in their mosques and this can lead to looking for a purpose in life (ISIS)

What are your thoughts?

I agree with most of the above.

I know for a fact that Muslims are not allowed to marry non Muslims full stop.

It's not tolerated.

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Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation
Reply #19 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 8:42am

issuevoter wrote on Sep 5^th, 2015 at 5:55pm:

Blame individual families? That’s exactly what they want you to believe. But the radicalization is a myth which apologists love to use to excuse Islam for atrocities committed in its name by the faithful. Islam is about two things: the belief that Mohamed spoke with angels and is the messenger of God. The other is the Koran. Once people soak up this crap, there is no difference between the any of them as far as us Infidels are concerned. Koran 8:12 “Cut their heads off.” There are fifteen different translations that all come out the same. It’s not radical, it’s just Islam.

Gandalf?

Any comments?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation Reply #20 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 12:28pm freediver wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 6:47pm: I don't think you've ever given a straight answer to that question Gandalf. Under what circumstances should we kill gay people? I gave the straightest answer possible the last time you brought it up: gays should not be killed for being gay.
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Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation
Reply #21 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 12:32pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 12:28pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 6:47pm:

I don't think you've ever given a straight answer to that question Gandalf. Under what circumstances should we kill gay people?

I gave the straightest answer possible the last time you brought it up: gays should not be killed for being gay.

Gandalf, would it be fair to say that Muslim parents isolate their kids from the broader Australian community because they don't want them marrying a kuffar?

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Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation
Reply #22 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 12:58pm

mothra wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 5:58pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 1:19pm:

Who is to blame for your radicalisation Gandalf? Who alienated you?

And most importantly of all, under what circumstances should we kill gay people?

I have never gleaned even the remotest notion that Gandalf is either radicalised or alienated.

What gives you this impression FD?

FD once interpreted my argument that gays should not be killed for being gay as a call to execute gays for flaunting their sexuality "mardis gras style". When I refuted this he resorted to the "oh it was so long ago - I can't be expected to remember" defense. Despite this seeming acknowledgement of error, he refused to retract the claim and when pushed decided to dig in with a new defense, which was "thats how I interpreted it at the time". He did this despite being shown the exact quotes showing not only I said nothing of the kind, but in fact said the exact opposite. As you can see now, this line of his has evolved to become "gandalf has never given a straight answer" - on the subject of when gays should be killed.

And thats what FD does - he asks me questions to which I reply with the straightest answer possible. 6 months or so down the track he brings up the same questions, claiming that I had either been tricky and evasive in answering the first time, or completely misrepresenting what my answer was - and very often both.

My "extremism", you see is a product of a) FD deciding I'm deliberately tricky and evasive - specifically as a way of masking my true beliefs which are naturally horrible and extreme, and b) FD literally making stuff up about what I said - killing mardi gras gays being a case in point.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation
Reply #23 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 1:05pm

double plus good wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 12:32pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 12:28pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 6:47pm:

I don't think you've ever given a straight answer to that question Gandalf. Under what circumstances should we kill gay people?

I gave the straightest answer possible the last time you brought it up: gays should not be killed for being gay.

Gandalf, would it be fair to say that Muslim parents isolate their kids from the broader Australian community because they don't want them marrying a kuffar?

No. There is a logical fallacy in your question.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation
Reply #24 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 6:24pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 12:28pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 6:47pm:

I don't think you've ever given a straight answer to that question Gandalf. Under what circumstances should we kill gay people?

I gave the straightest answer possible the last time you brought it up: gays should not be killed for being gay.

It is my understanding that all religions tolerate people being gay. It is the buggery they take objection to. That is, anal sex. Or in the case of Islam, doing as the people of Lot did (both the giver and the taker).

Nice dodge though, but my actual question was, under what circumstances should we kill gay people? You haven't made up your mind yet have you? That still counts as a straight answer Gandalf. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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He did this despite being shown the exact quotes showing not only I said nothing of the kind

Can you explain how this works Gandalf?

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Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation
Reply #25 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 10:40pm

freediver wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 6:47pm:

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Why are you asking? You clearly don't need my input when deciding what gandalf says about such matters. Just make some sh*t up like you always do.

I don't think you've ever given a straight answer to that question Gandalf. Under what circumstances should we kill gay people?

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I have never gleaned even the remotest notion that Gandalf is either radicalised or alienated.
What gives you this impression FD?

Lately he often claims to be a standard bearer. He has also given a wide variety of responses on the issue of executing gays. Obviously he isn't a radical by Islamic standards.

That’s right, FD. G’s responses were so wide as to be interpreted as a call to blow up the Mardi Gras (both the giver and receiver).

I blame Islam.

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Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation
Reply #26 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 10:43pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 12:28pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 6:47pm:

I don't think you've ever given a straight answer to that question Gandalf. Under what circumstances should we kill gay people?

I gave the straightest answer possible the last time you brought it up: gays should not be killed for being gay.

Looks like we’ve got another response here, FD.

Cunning, no?

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ordinaryguy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 625 Gender:	Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation Reply #27 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 10:45pm Not really.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96166 Gender:	Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation Reply #28 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 12:01am I blame the parents. No, hang on, I blame Islam.
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Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation
Reply #29 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 7:28am

Karnal wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 12:01am:

I blame the parents.

No, hang on, I blame Islam.

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Karnal,

And if you 'follow through' on your pronouncement, ....then what course should a sane person take ?

Oh, hang on.

You were merely being factitious, and [as per usual] you were not posting a serious comment.

Correct ?

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