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Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation
Reply #45 - Oct 3rd, 2015 at 10:38am
 
Oh I don't know FD - how about we ask FD?

freediver wrote on Feb 25th, 2008 at 12:46pm:
Islam does not see religious law as static (from what has been posted here anyway). Many see that as a bad thing, but it is actually a good thing. Muhammed was a political ruler as well as a religious leader. Unfortunately this means a lot of his teaching were very specific, whereas most religions focus heavily on values. To forbid people from changing the specific laws would be bad.

The problem is not the religion, but the conservative culture that has grown up around it. To lump politics, culture and religion together as one is misleading and unnecessary. You can change the culture and politics far easier than you can change the religion.
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #46 - Oct 3rd, 2015 at 2:19pm
 
This particular command does not sound very specific to me Gandalf. It was not in response to a specific instance of homsexuality. It was a general call to execute gays.
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Reply #47 - Oct 3rd, 2015 at 6:58pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 2:19pm:
This particular command does not sound very specific to me Gandalf.


Oh, I know. This one does though.

freediver wrote on Feb 25th, 2008 at 12:46pm:
Islam does not see religious law as static (from what has been posted here anyway). Many see that as a bad thing, but it is actually a good thing. Muhammed was a political ruler as well as a religious leader. Unfortunately this means a lot of his teaching were very specific, whereas most religions focus heavily on values. To forbid people from changing the specific laws would be bad.

The problem is not the religion, but the conservative culture that has grown up around it. To lump politics, culture and religion together as one is misleading and unnecessary. You can change the culture and politics far easier than you can change the religion.

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Reply #48 - Oct 3rd, 2015 at 7:10pm
 
Are parents to blame for radicalisation ?

YES in the case of musseys.
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Reply #49 - Oct 3rd, 2015 at 8:16pm
 
ordinaryguy wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 7:10pm:
Are parents to blame for radicalisation ?

YES in the case of musseys.


Apologist.
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Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation
Reply #50 - Oct 3rd, 2015 at 9:20pm
 
islam is solely responsible for the false assertion that true muslims are radicals.

muhammad was a thief, liar, pedophile, rapist, torturer and mass murderer. 

It is very obvious that people wanted to live a peaceful life, in total oppositeness to the filth and perversion muhammad preferred as a way of life.

Why do you think he preached the following?

qur'an 4.95:Not equal are those believers remaining [at home] - other than the disabled - and the mujahideen, [who strive and fight] in the cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred the mujahideen through their wealth and their lives over those who remain [behind], by degrees. And to both Allah has promised the best [reward]. But Allah has preferred the mujahideen over those who remain [behind] with a great reward -


qur'an 2.216: Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.

qur'an 2.244: Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things

qur'an 3.142: Or do you think that you will enter Paradise while Allah has not yet made evident those of you who fight in His causeand made evident those who are steadfast?

qur'an 3.157: And if you are killed in the cause of Allah or die - then forgiveness from Allah and mercy are better than whatever they accumulate [in this world].

qur'an 3.158: And whether you die or are killed, unto Allah you will be gathered.

qur'an 3.169: And never think of those who have been killed in the cause of Allah as dead. Rather, they are alive with their Lord,receiving provision,

They all praise the killers as pure muslims, assured a place in paradise with the fabled houri's with big tits.

muhammad made a distinction between the killers and those who wanted to stay at home, the mass murderers are the highest grade of muslim there is.

islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an are the root cause of the so called islamic radicals (who theologically are muslims in the most virtuous form).
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Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation
Reply #51 - Oct 3rd, 2015 at 9:24pm
 
moses wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 9:20pm:
muhammad was a thief, liar, pedophile, rapist, torturer and mass murderer. 


Was he auditioning for a place in the Liberal Party?

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Reply #52 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 8:32am
 
Greg what do you think about the things Muhammed got up to? Like the time he lit a fire on a Jew's stomach to get him to reveal where the Jew gold is? Or the time he slaughtered about 800 of them in one day for being treacherous Jews?
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Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation
Reply #53 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 10:42am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 8:32am:
Greg what do you think about the things Muhammed got up to? Like the time he lit a fire on a Jew's stomach to get him to reveal where the Jew gold is? Or the time he slaughtered about 800 of them in one day for being treacherous Jews?


Typical Dark Age antics appropriate for the period and culture they occurred in, FD.   You cannot judge events 1400 years ago by today's standards of moral behavior.   It doesn't work.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #54 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 11:43am
 
Are the actions of ISIS appropriate for the period and culture they find themselves in?
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Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation
Reply #55 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 12:26pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 11:43am:
Are the actions of ISIS appropriate for the period and culture they find themselves in?


For the period?  No.
For the culture they have created?  Yes.
For the culture they aspire to?  No.
For the culture of the rest of the world?  No.

It's not hard, FD, you should have a go at showing some empathy, instead of your universal condemnation for all things Islamic or Muslim...   Roll Eyes
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Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation
Reply #56 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 1:53pm
 
Families 'crucial' in stopping radicalisation

Updated: 1:53 pm, Sunday, 4 October 2015

Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says families are key to helping prevent the radicalisation of youths after the fatal shooting of a police worker in Sydney.

'When a 15-year-old boy can be so radicalised that he can carry out a politically motivated killing or an act of terrorism, then it's a time for the whole nation to take stock,' she told ABC television on Sunday.

The minister believes families will be crucial in a defence strategy against radicalised youth.

She said a holistic approach must be taken to include families and Muslim community representatives.

Islamic leaders were part of a phone hook-up with Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, NSW Premier Mike Baird, federal and NSW police on Saturday.

'It's the families that will be our frontline of defence against radicalised young people, so we will be working very closely with them,' Ms Bishop said.

'No one level of government or no one section of community can do it all alone.'

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I wonder how long it will take before people tell the truth ?

islam is the cause of the pure virtuous muslim, (the rapist, torturer and mass murderer)
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Reply #57 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 1:55pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 9:24pm:
moses wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 9:20pm:
muhammad was a thief, liar, pedophile, rapist, torturer and mass murderer. 


Was he auditioning for a place in the Liberal Party?


You are very tolerant of other people's beliefs, aren't you, Pecksniff.

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Reply #58 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 2:01pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 12:26pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 11:43am:
Are the actions of ISIS appropriate for the period and culture they find themselves in?


For the period?  No.
For the culture they have created?  Yes. No.
For the culture they aspire to?  No.
For the culture of the rest of the world?  No.



Corrected.

If it's not appropriate for the period then the culture they have created in this period is also not appropriate.

SO it's all straight  no for all questions you devised.


Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 12:26pm:
It's not hard, FD, you should have a go at showing some empathy, instead of your universal condemnation for all things Islamic or Muslim...



SO there is nothing to empathise with, Brain. But I am not at all surprised that you are desperate to find something about ISIS that you can excuse and so preen and strut about showing just what an empathetic, morally nuanced squishy apologist for evil you are as long as it is Islamic evil. 

ISIS shows the pathology of Islam when it is taken to its doctrinal conclusions.





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Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation
Reply #59 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 2:10pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 12:26pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 11:43am:
Are the actions of ISIS appropriate for the period and culture they find themselves in?


For the period?  No.
For the culture they have created?  Yes.
For the culture they aspire to?  No.
For the culture of the rest of the world?  No.

It's not hard, FD, you should have a go at showing some empathy, instead of your universal condemnation for all things Islamic or Muslim...   Roll Eyes


I have have empathy for the perpetrators of ISIS?
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