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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96347	Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation Reply #90 - Oct 7^th, 2015 at 8:24pm I haven’t taught you anything about Islam? I understand. I teach classes on Freeeeedom. Islam’s next door. Yadda teaches that class. Muslim == a follower of Islam.
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ordinaryguy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 625 Gender:	Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation Reply #91 - Oct 7^th, 2015 at 8:31pm You certainly haven't taught anyone anything about islam. Nice to see you sticking to stuff you actually know something about.
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Reply #92 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:24am

FD is this the season of avoiding simple questions?

This has been a habit of yours lately.

Third time - do you agree with what you said in 2008 (quoted in this thread)? If so, what is the difference between what you called on then and what you now describe as "taking liberties" with Islam, which apparently makes the whole thing "pointless"?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #93 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:05am

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:24am:

FD is this the season of avoiding simple questions?

This has been a habit of yours lately.

Third time - do you agree with what you said in 2008 (quoted in this thread)? If so, what is the difference between what you called on then and what you now describe as "taking liberties" with Islam, which apparently makes the whole thing "pointless"?

Abu.

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Reply #94 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 12:41pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:24am:

FD is this the season of avoiding simple questions?

This has been a habit of yours lately.

Third time - do you agree with what you said in 2008 (quoted in this thread)? If so, what is the difference between what you called on then and what you now describe as "taking liberties" with Islam, which apparently makes the whole thing "pointless"?

What was wrong with my previous answer?

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Reply #95 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 12:56pm

I asked you to reflect on what you said in 2008 about Islamic law not being static, and therefore reformable, and you responded by talking about "taking liberties" and how "pointless" that is.

So again, what do you mean by 'taking liberties', and how exactly does it differ to what you called on muslims to do in 2008? Why was wanting to change Islamic law a "good thing" in 2008, but is "pointless" now?

If you simply changed your mind and you no longer agree with what you said in 2008, then just say.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #96 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 1:41pm

FD vs FD:

freediver wrote on Feb 25^th, 2008 at 12:46pm:

Islam does not see religious law as static (from what has been posted here anyway). Many see that as a bad thing, but it is actually a good thing. Muhammed was a political ruler as well as a religious leader. Unfortunately this means a lot of his teaching were very specific, whereas most religions focus heavily on values. To forbid people from changing the specific laws would be bad.

The problem is not the religion, but the conservative culture that has grown up around it. To lump politics, culture and religion together as one is misleading and unnecessary. You can change the culture and politics far easier than you can change the religion.

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freediver wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 12:58pm:

I did not expect Muslims would need to go to the extent of consciously taking liberties with their religion in order to turn it into something palatable for modern society. Obviously it would strive towards the same end, but it starts to look pointless. Do you think all those other Muslims who cling to the 7th century version are idiots who are going to be tricked into adopting your revisions? Why do you think so many children of apparently progressive Muslim parents are so easily lured back towards extremism? It seems to me that the actions of you and others like you will only ever manage to put a politically correct facade around the problem.

Its uncanny.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation
Reply #97 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 4:59pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 12:56pm:

I asked you to reflect on what you said in 2008 about Islamic law not being static, and therefore reformable, and you responded by talking about "taking liberties" and how "pointless" that is.

So again, what do you mean by 'taking liberties', and how exactly does it differ to what you called on muslims to do in 2008? Why was wanting to change Islamic law a "good thing" in 2008, but is "pointless" now?

If you simply changed your mind and you no longer agree with what you said in 2008, then just say.

FD would never change his mind, G. That's self censorship. That's wishy-washy, preening, feigning, heinous, spinelessness.

That's what your Muselman does.

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Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation
Reply #98 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 6:26pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 12:56pm:

I asked you to reflect on what you said in 2008 about Islamic law not being static, and therefore reformable, and you responded by talking about "taking liberties" and how "pointless" that is.

So again, what do you mean by 'taking liberties', and how exactly does it differ to what you called on muslims to do in 2008? Why was wanting to change Islamic law a "good thing" in 2008, but is "pointless" now?

If you simply changed your mind and you no longer agree with what you said in 2008, then just say.

Like I said last time you brought it up, I was borrowing your term.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation Reply #99 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:14pm Keep dodging then fd
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation Reply #100 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:09pm So has anyone answered the topic question yet? Can't be bothered reading through 7 pages to be brutally honest.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49322 At my desk.	Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation Reply #101 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:13pm Gandalf you said yourself that you take liberties with Islam in order to make it more palatable. That is what I mean when I refer to taking liberties becoming a pointless exercise. I am referring to what you do. Do you understand now?
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Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation
Reply #102 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:13pm

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 5^th, 2015 at 5:55pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 5^th, 2015 at 5:52pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 5^th, 2015 at 4:57pm:

Are parents to blame for radicalisation

I blame Ciobo

Now why would you say an idiot thing if you were not, in fact, an idiot?

I write for an audience of idiots ...

don't ever say I don't try to please you Soren

You should write for everyone and not only your friends.

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There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin

Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation Reply #103 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 11:36pm Gandalf, a quick question if I may : Who do YOU personally think is behind this radicalisation process? Apologies if you've already answered this in here.
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Re: Are parents to blame for radicalisation
Reply #104 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 11:37pm

freediver wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:13pm:

Gandalf you said yourself that you take liberties with Islam in order to make it more palatable. That is what I mean when I refer to taking liberties becoming a pointless exercise. I am referring to what you do. Do you understand now?

Freeeeedom, you mean? Wishy washy, squeamish, arse-covering, yeah-but-no-but, evasive, spinelessness?

Ah. So you do understand.

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