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Sep 6th, 2015 at 4:15pm
 
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American service members used in chemical and biological testing have some questions: What exactly were they exposed to? And how is it affecting their health?

Tens of thousands of troops were used in testing conducted by the U.S. military between 1922 and 1975. As one Army scientist explained, the military wanted to learn how to induce symptoms such as "fear, panic, hysteria, and hallucinations" in enemy soldiers. Recruitment was done on a volunteer basis, but the details of the testing and associated risks were often withheld from those who signed up.

Many of the veterans who served as test subjects have since died. But today, those who are still alive are part of a class action lawsuit against the Army. If they're successful, the Army will have to explain to anyone who was used in testing exactly what substances they were given and any known risks. The Army would also have to provide those veterans with health care for any illnesses that result, in whole or in part, from the testing.

The law firm representing the veterans estimates at least 70,000 troops were used in the testing, including World War II veterans exposed to mustard gas, whom NPR reported on earlier this summer.

Bill Blazinski has chronic lymphocytic leukemia, which he thinks may have been caused by the military tests. He was 20 years old and had just graduated from boot camp when he volunteered in 1968.

"There would be a guaranteed three-day pass every weekend unless you had a test," he says. "There would be no kitchen police duties, no guard duties. And it sounded like a pretty good duty."

What sounded more like a vacation than military duty quickly changed, he says. In one test, doctors said they would inject him with an agent and its antidote back to back.

"We were placed in individual padded cells. And you know the nurse left and I'm looking at this padded wall and I knew it was solid but all of a sudden started fluttering like a flag does up on a flag pole," he recalls.

To learn about what substances made him hallucinate, in 2006, Blazinski requested the original test documents under the Freedom of Information Act. It showed two antidotes for nerve agent poisoning with dangerous known side effects.

Three test subjects enter a gas chamber, which will fill with mustard gas, as part of the military's secret chemical warfare testing in March 1945.

Alan Oates was exposed to herbicides, such as Agent Orange, while serving in Vietnam in 1968. Decades after returning home, he was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease, and because Congress passed the Agent Orange Act, he's able to receive VA benefits.

Can The Agent Orange Act Help Veterans Exposed To Mustard Gas?

Researchers kept information about which agents they were administering from test subjects to avoid influencing the test results. A lawyer representing the veterans, Ben Patterson of the law firm Morrison and Foerster, says that's a problem.

"They don't know what they were exposed to. You know, some of these substances were only referred to by code names," Patterson says.

Code names such as CAR 302668. That's one of the agents, records show, that researchers injected into Frank Rochelle in 1968.

During one test, Rochelle remembers that the freckles on his arms and legs appeared to be moving. Thinking bugs had crawled under his skin, he tried using a razor blade from his shaving kit to cut them out. After that test, he says he hallucinated for 40 hours.

"There were animals coming out of the walls," he says. "I saw a huge rabbit and he was solid white with red eyes."

In 1975, the Army's chief of medical research admitted to Congress that he didn't have the funding to monitor test subjects' health after they went through the experiments. Since then, the military says it has ended all chemical and biological testing.

Test subjects like Rochelle say that's not enough.

"We were assured that everything that went on inside the clinic, we were going to be under 100 percent observation; they were going to do nothing to harm us," he says. "And also we were sure that we would be taken care of afterwards if anything happened. Instead we were left to hang out to dry."

The Department of Justice is representing the Army in the case and declined to comment for this story. In June, an appeals court ruled in favor of the veterans. On Friday, the Army filed for a rehearing.
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Reply #1 - Sep 6th, 2015 at 4:17pm
 
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April 13, 1953: CIA OKs MK-ULTRA Mind-Control Tests
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Reply #3 - Sep 6th, 2015 at 9:49pm
 
Thanks fake foreign operative.
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Why is this american bullsh1t wasting space in Defence and the same could be said about the poster.

It should be either deleted in its entirety or sent to Thinking Globally.

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Reply #5 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:14am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 7th, 2015 at 5:20am:
Why is this american bullsh1t wasting space in Defence and the same could be said about the poster.

It should be either deleted in its entirety or sent to Thinking Globally.

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You can literally not afford to state that opinion on this forum at the same time as stating a defence connection. Because it's you. And you are no one.

Security risk.
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Reply #6 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:17am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 6th, 2015 at 9:49pm:
Thanks fake foreign operative.
Any further attacks will be considered to be an attack with the backing of Australian government authorities. We will retaliate.

You are now a national security risk, and if you continue, are undertaking acts specifically designed to harm Australia. What ASIO do, if anything, is for them. A lack of action indicates a government sponsored attack against multiple foreign governments. We will retaliate.

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Reply #7 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:18am
 
easel wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:14am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 7th, 2015 at 5:20am:
Why is this american bullsh1t wasting space in Defence and the same could be said about the poster.

It should be either deleted in its entirety or sent to Thinking Globally.

Angry


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Reply #8 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:19am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:18am:
easel wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:14am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 7th, 2015 at 5:20am:
Why is this american bullsh1t wasting space in Defence and the same could be said about the poster.

It should be either deleted in its entirety or sent to Thinking Globally.

Angry


You can literally not afford to state that opinion on this forum at the same time as stating a defence connection. Because it's you. And you are no one.

Security risk.


Dickhead


Any further attacks will be considered to be an attack with the backing of Australian government authorities. We will retaliate.

You are now a national security risk, and if you continue, are undertaking acts specifically designed to harm Australia. What ASIO do, if anything, is for them. A lack of action indicates a government sponsored attack against multiple foreign governments. We will retaliate.

...
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Reply #9 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:20am
 
If you broke it you will be paying for it.
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Reply #10 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 5:16am
 
easel wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:14am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 7th, 2015 at 5:20am:
Why is this american bullsh1t wasting space in Defence and the same could be said about the poster.

It should be either deleted in its entirety or sent to Thinking Globally.

Angry


You can literally not afford to state that opinion on this forum at the same time as stating a defence connection. Because it's you. And you are no one.

Security risk.



And which of the three did you put your time into?

Like you, this has nothing to do with the ADF, and should be deleted or sent elsewhere.


Frig I saw that crap you spun on the F88, whilst ignoring the F89 and M4 which use the same ammo as well as the NATO stuff.

Countless hours on Call of Duty, does not make you an expert in anything let alone the ADF.


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Reply #11 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 9:19am
 
easel wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:19am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:18am:
easel wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:14am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 7th, 2015 at 5:20am:
Why is this american bullsh1t wasting space in Defence and the same could be said about the poster.

It should be either deleted in its entirety or sent to Thinking Globally.

Angry


You can literally not afford to state that opinion on this forum at the same time as stating a defence connection. Because it's you. And you are no one.

Security risk.


Dickhead


Any further attacks will be considered to be an attack with the backing of Australian government authorities. We will retaliate.

You are now a national security risk, and if you continue, are undertaking acts specifically designed to harm Australia. What ASIO do, if anything, is for them. A lack of action indicates a government sponsored attack against multiple foreign governments. We will retaliate.

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Reply #12 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 5:53pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 5:16am:
easel wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:14am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 7th, 2015 at 5:20am:
Why is this american bullsh1t wasting space in Defence and the same could be said about the poster.

It should be either deleted in its entirety or sent to Thinking Globally.

Angry


You can literally not afford to state that opinion on this forum at the same time as stating a defence connection. Because it's you. And you are no one.

Security risk.



And which of the three did you put your time into?

Like you, this has nothing to do with the ADF, and should be deleted or sent elsewhere.


Frig I saw that crap you spun on the F88, whilst ignoring the F89 and M4 which use the same ammo as well as the NATO stuff.

Countless hours on Call of Duty, does not make you an expert in anything let alone the ADF.




The issue at fault was the F88 gas system.

You are engaging multiple foreign governments in a hostile manner.

You were warned repeatedly.

Your life is destroyed.

Have a nice day.
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Reply #13 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 6:00pm
 
Any further attacks will be considered to be an attack with the backing of Australian government authorities. We will retaliate.

You are now a national security risk, and if you continue, are undertaking acts specifically designed to harm Australia. What ASIO do, if anything, is for them. A lack of action indicates a government sponsored attack against multiple foreign governments. We will retaliate.

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Reply #14 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 6:33pm
 
easel wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 5:53pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 5:16am:
easel wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:14am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 7th, 2015 at 5:20am:
Why is this american bullsh1t wasting space in Defence and the same could be said about the poster.

It should be either deleted in its entirety or sent to Thinking Globally.

Angry


You can literally not afford to state that opinion on this forum at the same time as stating a defence connection. Because it's you. And you are no one.

Security risk.



And which of the three did you put your time into?

Like you, this has nothing to do with the ADF, and should be deleted or sent elsewhere.


Frig I saw that crap you spun on the F88, whilst ignoring the F89 and M4 which use the same ammo as well as the NATO stuff.

Countless hours on Call of Duty, does not make you an expert in anything let alone the ADF.




The issue at fault was the F88 gas system.

You are engaging multiple foreign governments in a hostile manner.

You were warned repeatedly.

Your life is destroyed.

Have a nice day.



Same to you and your Mum

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