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Re: the meaning of freedom
Reply #210 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:33am

He Man wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 8:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 8:44pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 7:52pm:

I'm struggling to think of a more clear-cut call for self censorship than this.

Yes, but that's censorship. Self censorship is when you do it yourself.

No its not.

Of course it is. What else could it possibly be?

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Reply #211 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:45am

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 10:24am:

Splitting hairs. We were talking about a different thing, even though the same term is being used.

I made it very clear what I meant - newsrooms have to decide for themselves what they should and shouldn't publish. If they decide not to stoke the flames, then good for them - just like if someone decides not to be a dick. What it means is people deciding not to express something because they conclude by themselves that it is wrong to express it. What is wrong in both cases is if they sincerely feel that they should express something but feel pressured not to by outside forces. This is something that you support, not me. Clearly this is something you feel uneasy about which is why you feel the need to play these silly games.

So long as self censorship is not compulsory, then Im fine with it.

Also, the mussies need to not lose their sh1t every-time they hear something they find offensive, because they picked the wrong country for considerate conversation.

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Reply #212 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 1:44pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 8:44pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 7:52pm:

I'm struggling to think of a more clear-cut call for self censorship than this.

Yes, but that's censorship. Self censorship is when you do it yourself.

He's calling for people to stop expressing themselves in a certain way. Calling for 'self-censorship' no?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #213 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 2:12pm

I am calling on people to actually support freedom of speech, not merely say they do.

Gandalf would you describe this as a clear call for self censorship?

polite_gandalf wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 10:17pm:

freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 9:27pm:

Self censorship is a reasonable course of action?

Absolutely. Its called being responsible gatekeepers of the infomation available. News rooms have to make these calls all the time - deciding whether its responsible to potentially inflame volatile relationships between groups by publishing contentious material.

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Reply #214 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 4:33pm

Here you go FD, you may have missed it. I'll even highlight the most relevant bit:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 10:24am:

I made it very clear what I meant - newsrooms have to decide for themselves what they should and shouldn't publish. If they decide not to stoke the flames, then good for them - just like if someone decides not to be a dick. What it means is people deciding not to express something because they conclude by themselves that it is wrong to express it. What is wrong in both cases is if they sincerely feel that they should express something but feel pressured not to by outside forces. This is something that you support, not me. Clearly this is something you feel uneasy about which is why you feel the need to play these silly games.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49241 At my desk.	Re: the meaning of freedom Reply #215 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:44pm Quote: If they decide not to stoke the flames, then good for them Is that self censorship Gandalf? Also, what is the difference between feeling pressured by outside forces not to express themselves, and deciding not the 'stoke the flames'? Particularly in the context of Islam.
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Reply #216 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:58pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 4:33pm:

Here you go FD, you may have missed it. I'll even highlight the most relevant bit:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 10:24am:

I made it very clear what I meant - newsrooms have to decide for themselves what they should and shouldn't publish. If they decide not to stoke the flames, then good for them - just like if someone decides not to be a dick. What it means is people deciding not to express something because they conclude by themselves that it is wrong to express it. What is wrong in both cases is if they sincerely feel that they should express something but feel pressured not to by outside forces. This is something that you support, not me. Clearly this is something you feel uneasy about which is why you feel the need to play these silly games.

Muslims will kill you for expressing something. And they will do it in the name of Islam.

YOU deal with it, YOU correct it. They are YOUR people, Gandy.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: the meaning of freedom Reply #217 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:39pm freediver wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:44pm: Also, what is the difference between feeling pressured by outside forces not to express themselves, and deciding not the 'stoke the flames'? Gosh FD I'm only spend this entire thread explaining this very point.
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Reply #218 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:46pm

Soren wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:58pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 4:33pm:

Here you go FD, you may have missed it. I'll even highlight the most relevant bit:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 10:24am:

I made it very clear what I meant - newsrooms have to decide for themselves what they should and shouldn't publish. If they decide not to stoke the flames, then good for them - just like if someone decides not to be a dick. What it means is people deciding not to express something because they conclude by themselves that it is wrong to express it. What is wrong in both cases is if they sincerely feel that they should express something but feel pressured not to by outside forces. This is something that you support, not me. Clearly this is something you feel uneasy about which is why you feel the need to play these silly games.

Muslims will kill you for expressing something. And they will do it in the name of Islam.

YOU deal with it, YOU correct it. They are YOUR people, Gandy.

He won't say boo, he is too scared too.

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Re: the meaning of freedom
Reply #219 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:47pm

Soren wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:58pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 4:33pm:

Here you go FD, you may have missed it. I'll even highlight the most relevant bit:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 10:24am:

I made it very clear what I meant - newsrooms have to decide for themselves what they should and shouldn't publish. If they decide not to stoke the flames, then good for them - just like if someone decides not to be a dick. What it means is people deciding not to express something because they conclude by themselves that it is wrong to express it. What is wrong in both cases is if they sincerely feel that they should express something but feel pressured not to by outside forces. This is something that you support, not me. Clearly this is something you feel uneasy about which is why you feel the need to play these silly games.

Muslims will kill you for expressing something. And they will do it in the name of Islam.

YOU deal with it, YOU correct it. They are YOUR people, Gandy.

They are OUR people, Sorey.

White man’s burden, eh?

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Re: the meaning of freedom
Reply #220 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:49pm

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 10:45am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 10:24am:

Splitting hairs. We were talking about a different thing, even though the same term is being used.

I made it very clear what I meant - newsrooms have to decide for themselves what they should and shouldn't publish. If they decide not to stoke the flames, then good for them - just like if someone decides not to be a dick. What it means is people deciding not to express something because they conclude by themselves that it is wrong to express it. What is wrong in both cases is if they sincerely feel that they should express something but feel pressured not to by outside forces. This is something that you support, not me. Clearly this is something you feel uneasy about which is why you feel the need to play these silly games.

So long as self censorship is not compulsory, then Im fine with it.

Also, the mussies need to not lose their sh1t every-time they hear something they find offensive, because they picked the wrong country for considerate conversation.

This is the problem with simpletons you won't be able to teach them common sense.

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Re: the meaning of freedom
Reply #221 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:30pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:39pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:44pm:

Also, what is the difference between feeling pressured by outside forces not to express themselves, and deciding not the 'stoke the flames'?

Gosh FD I'm only spend this entire thread explaining this very point.

You haven't done a very good job. It sounds like the same thing to me.

Also, is it self censorship if you feel pressured to not 'stoke the flames'?

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Re: the meaning of freedom
Reply #222 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 6:06pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:47pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:58pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 4:33pm:

Here you go FD, you may have missed it. I'll even highlight the most relevant bit:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 10:24am:

I made it very clear what I meant - newsrooms have to decide for themselves what they should and shouldn't publish. If they decide not to stoke the flames, then good for them - just like if someone decides not to be a dick. What it means is people deciding not to express something because they conclude by themselves that it is wrong to express it. What is wrong in both cases is if they sincerely feel that they should express something but feel pressured not to by outside forces. This is something that you support, not me. Clearly this is something you feel uneasy about which is why you feel the need to play these silly games.

Muslims will kill you for expressing something. And they will do it in the name of Islam.

YOU deal with it, YOU correct it. They are YOUR people, Gandy.

They are OUR people, Sorey.

White man’s burden, eh?

They may be yours, Paki BVgger, but they are not mine.

And yes, they are the white man's burden - no tinted Muslim Arab will give them a helping hand.

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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: the meaning of freedom Reply #223 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 8:36pm The Supreme and Great *Soren* has spoken ladies and gentlemen We must all bow to his sublime greatness and worthiness the self anointed Soren must henceforth apologise in writing to everyone that has ever posted on Ozpolitic and immediately implement self banishment for 72 hours
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He Man Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1159 Gender:	Re: the meaning of freedom Reply #224 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 8:44pm Why would he do that his words were amazing. Maybe you should self ban and show everyone here how it is done.
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