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Re: the meaning of freedom
Reply #225 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:15pm

Soren wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 6:06pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:47pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:58pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 4:33pm:

Here you go FD, you may have missed it. I'll even highlight the most relevant bit:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 10:24am:

I made it very clear what I meant - newsrooms have to decide for themselves what they should and shouldn't publish. If they decide not to stoke the flames, then good for them - just like if someone decides not to be a dick. What it means is people deciding not to express something because they conclude by themselves that it is wrong to express it. What is wrong in both cases is if they sincerely feel that they should express something but feel pressured not to by outside forces. This is something that you support, not me. Clearly this is something you feel uneasy about which is why you feel the need to play these silly games.

Muslims will kill you for expressing something. And they will do it in the name of Islam.

YOU deal with it, YOU correct it. They are YOUR people, Gandy.

They are OUR people, Sorey.

White man’s burden, eh?

They may be yours, Paki BVgger, but they are not mine.

Ah well, we grew here you flew here, no?

You’ll assimilate before long, old boy. Just keep trying.

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Reply #226 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:45pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:15pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 6:06pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:47pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:58pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 4:33pm:

Here you go FD, you may have missed it. I'll even highlight the most relevant bit:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 10:24am:

I made it very clear what I meant - newsrooms have to decide for themselves what they should and shouldn't publish. If they decide not to stoke the flames, then good for them - just like if someone decides not to be a dick. What it means is people deciding not to express something because they conclude by themselves that it is wrong to express it. What is wrong in both cases is if they sincerely feel that they should express something but feel pressured not to by outside forces. This is something that you support, not me. Clearly this is something you feel uneasy about which is why you feel the need to play these silly games.

Muslims will kill you for expressing something. And they will do it in the name of Islam.

YOU deal with it, YOU correct it. They are YOUR people, Gandy.

They are OUR people, Sorey.

White man’s burden, eh?

They may be yours, Paki BVgger, but they are not mine.

Ah well, we grew here you flew here, no?

You’ll assimilate before long, old boy. Just keep trying.

I wonder why pakistan is such a bad place to live, could it be islam ?

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Re: the meaning of freedom
Reply #227 - Nov 10^th, 2015 at 5:11pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 8:36pm:

The Supreme and Great Soren has spoken ladies and gentlemen

We must all bow to his sublime greatness and worthiness

the self anointed Soren must henceforth apologise in writing to everyone that has ever posted on Ozpolitic and immediately implement self banishment for 72 hours

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Down, monkey, DOWN!!!

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Reply #228 - Nov 12^th, 2015 at 2:58pm

freediver wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:30pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:39pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:44pm:

Also, what is the difference between feeling pressured by outside forces not to express themselves, and deciding not the 'stoke the flames'?

Gosh FD I'm only spend this entire thread explaining this very point.

You haven't done a very good job. It sounds like the same thing to me.

Also, is it self censorship if you feel pressured to not 'stoke the flames'?

Gandalf does it depend on your ability to spin it as Muslims being the eternal victims? That is, "not stoking the flames" isn't a reference to not wanting to provoke Muslims into blowing things up, rather, it is a reference to politely refraining from talking about it in case people start to think negative thoughts about Islam in response?

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Reply #229 - Nov 12^th, 2015 at 3:26pm

That depends, FD. If you listen to The leaders of two countries with sizeable Muslim populations, India's Narendra Modhi and Burma's newly-elected Ang Sun Soo Chee, it's about bringing all citizens into the fold.

This is why it's not very nice to call for people to be banned, killed, castrated and nuked. It tends to upset their feelings a bit, you see.

If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. Has this become the new self-censorship?

Please explain.

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Bazza Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 331	Re: the meaning of freedom Reply #230 - Nov 12^th, 2015 at 7:11pm Muslims don't integrate and will never be welcome in Australia. The way they carry on speaks for itself. Their sick religion speaks for itself. Its a shame we have any here at all thanks to ignoramus do gooder fools. If they want to integrate fine. If not get out.
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Re: the meaning of freedom
Reply #231 - Nov 12^th, 2015 at 10:39pm

Bazza wrote on Nov 12^th, 2015 at 7:11pm:

Muslims don't integrate and will never be welcome in Australia. The way they carry on speaks for itself. Their sick religion speaks for itself. Its a shame we have any here at all thanks to ignoramus do gooder fools. If they want to integrate fine. If not get out.

A good example, FD. Do you think this sort of thing should be expressed, or self-censored?

Please explain.

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Reply #232 - Nov 13^th, 2015 at 7:20am

Karnal wrote on Nov 12^th, 2015 at 3:26pm:

That depends, FD. If you listen to The leaders of two countries with sizeable Muslim populations, India's Narendra Modhi and Burma's newly-elected Ang Sun Soo Chee, it's about bringing all citizens into the fold.

This is why it's not very nice to call for people to be banned, killed, castrated and nuked. It tends to upset their feelings a bit, you see.

If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. Has this become the new self-censorship?

Please explain.

I was asking Gandalf, not Narendra Modhi. Somehow I doubt he was referring to my question, but he is welcome to speak for himself if he does want to. The last thing I want is the government dictating what people should say. If Muhammed cartoons put Muslims outside the fold, they know where the door is.

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Re: the meaning of freedom
Reply #233 - Nov 13^th, 2015 at 10:06am

freediver wrote on Nov 13^th, 2015 at 7:20am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 12^th, 2015 at 3:26pm:

That depends, FD. If you listen to The leaders of two countries with sizeable Muslim populations, India's Narendra Modhi and Burma's newly-elected Ang Sun Soo Chee, it's about bringing all citizens into the fold.

This is why it's not very nice to call for people to be banned, killed, castrated and nuked. It tends to upset their feelings a bit, you see.

If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. Has this become the new self-censorship?

Please explain.

I was asking Gandalf, not Narendra Modhi. Somehow I doubt he was referring to my question, but he is welcome to speak for himself if he does want to. The last thing I want is the government dictating what people should say. If Muhammed cartoons put Muslims outside the fold, they know where the door is.

And what about hate speech, FD? Should this be facilitated, self-censored, banned - what?

Ever curious.

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Re: the meaning of freedom
Reply #235 - Nov 13^th, 2015 at 12:04pm

freediver wrote on Nov 13^th, 2015 at 10:47am:

That's a pretty vague term Karnal.

I oppose our current laws that sort of make it illegal to deny the holocaust.

I know, FD. But what about hate speech on the Muselman?

Do you support the call to ban them, cesterete them, nuke them?

We’re not discussing a ban, remember. We’re talking about "self censorship".

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Re: the meaning of freedom
Reply #236 - Nov 13^th, 2015 at 12:07pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 13^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 13^th, 2015 at 10:47am:

That's a pretty vague term Karnal.

I oppose our current laws that sort of make it illegal to deny the holocaust.

I know, FD. But what about hate speech on the Muselman?

Do you support the call to ban them, cesterete them, nuke them?

We’re not discussing a ban, remember. We’re talking about "self censorship".

Do you support banning their holy book which is full of controversial things??

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Re: the meaning of freedom
Reply #237 - Nov 13^th, 2015 at 1:42pm

double plus good wrote on Nov 13^th, 2015 at 12:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 13^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 13^th, 2015 at 10:47am:

That's a pretty vague term Karnal.

I oppose our current laws that sort of make it illegal to deny the holocaust.

I know, FD. But what about hate speech on the Muselman?

Do you support the call to ban them, cesterete them, nuke them?

We’re not discussing a ban, remember. We’re talking about "self censorship".

Do you support banning their holy book which is full of controversial things??

Do you support Freeeeeedom?

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Re: the meaning of freedom
Reply #238 - Nov 13^th, 2015 at 3:26pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 13^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 13^th, 2015 at 10:47am:

That's a pretty vague term Karnal.

I oppose our current laws that sort of make it illegal to deny the holocaust.

I know, FD. But what about hate speech on the Muselman?

Do you support the call to ban them, cesterete them, nuke them?

We’re not discussing a ban, remember. We’re talking about "self censorship".

What hate speech there is no hate speech directed at the muslim scum.

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Reply #239 - Nov 13^th, 2015 at 4:00pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 13^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 13^th, 2015 at 10:47am:

That's a pretty vague term Karnal.

I oppose our current laws that sort of make it illegal to deny the holocaust.

I know, FD. But what about hate speech on the Muselman?

Do you support the call to ban them, cesterete them, nuke them?

We’re not discussing a ban, remember. We’re talking about "self censorship".

I think our immigration policy should be more discriminating. I think it is better to put them in jail here than encourage them to head off and join ISIS. I think you are having trouble phrasing your question.

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