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Reply #255 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 2:37pm
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 11:32am:
[quote author=gandalf link=1441709460/251#251 date=1447980608]I think it could be done smarter than that K.

You pay lip service to the principle of freedom of religion, but in practice you chip away at the edges until eventually being openly muslim in Australia becomes practically impossible.

Ultimately it has to be a cultural change


Exactly.

If Islam could effect a cultural change whereby it becomes a religion and not a political ideology inseparable from its religious appearance, then we could see some peace.  But Islam's doctrine, as the Hizbies and the others never tire to repeat, is the caliphate, the worldwide triumph of Islam over all others.

No other reliogion in the West has has the same political and terrorist dimensions as Islam.  For the Grand Miff-ti and his followers to be miffed about the authorities noticing this is just stupid.

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Reply #256 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 2:42pm
 
Soren wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 2:37pm:
Karnal wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 11:32am:
[quote author=gandalf link=1441709460/251#251 date=1447980608]I think it could be done smarter than that K.

You pay lip service to the principle of freedom of religion, but in practice you chip away at the edges until eventually being openly muslim in Australia becomes practically impossible.

Ultimately it has to be a cultural change


Exactly.

If Islam could effect a cultural change whereby it becomes a religion and not a political ideology inseparable from its religious appearance, then we could see some peace.  But Islam's doctrine, as the Hizbies and the others never tire to repeat, is the caliphate, the worldwide triumph of Islam over all others.

No other reliogion in the West has has the same political and terrorist dimensions as Islam.  For the Grand Miff-ti and his followers to be miffed about the authorities noticing this is just stupid.



No worries, dear boy. We'll just ban them. Problem solved.

Who will we blame then though? Do you have any ideas?
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Reply #257 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 3:07pm
 
Karnal wrote Reply #250 - Today at 10:41am

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Yes, but what do you do about the constitution?

I'm curious.


Nobody is so stupid (except muslims and their apologists) as to think that you can / must never change the constitution for the good of the country, (take the republican movement as only one example, this requires constitutional change.)

So constitutional changes, law changes etc. can be carried out quiet effectively.

islam as it stands right now, is the most evil degenerate entity on this earth.

muslims have absolutely no intentions of giving up the putrid atrocities divinely sanctioned in the qur'an.

They can't, as they are trapped by their stupidity and inbred low intellect, which decrees that human filth muhammad was the best of all men, his dictates are the actual immutable perfect word of their demonic allah. (they cannot make a change with out destroying islam)

The atrocities will continue, you and other apologists will persist in always excusing them.

Eventually the world will turn on you and them (a perfectly natural and normal reaction)

Constitutions and laws etc. will be swept aside (as they have been done in the past, and will be done in the future, for civilized mankind to move on)

You and your muslim masters will go down, for the good of the human race. (it's only a matter of time)
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Reply #258 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 3:26pm
 
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #259 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 4:23pm
 
Whilever muslims commit unspeakable atrocities agaist their fellow man in order to obey the qur'an.

Whilever muslims refuse to purge the qur'an of all the doctrinal putridity, which causes islamic atrocities.

There will be no peace on this earth.

The ball's in your court Gandalf, you've made the choice to side with evil, ultimately the rest of the world will turn on you with a vengence.

It's your own fault, you decline decency and submit to degeneracy.

1400 years of islam has got you where?

Inbred, low intellect, poverty, squalor, murdering, thieving ingrates, a threat and burden, on the entire rest of the globe.

Always complaining and crying victim, never accepting responsibility for you own massive societal shortcomings, total idiots having had untold $trillions of oil income, spent not for the benefit of mankind, but to pander to the depravity of a deformed lunatic muhammad and his satanic deity allah.

The root cause of all your problems Gandalf is: muhammad islam qur'an allah.

It's your decision entirely, you have two alternatives:

1/.Stop playing the self righteous victim, blaming everybody and everything else, be responsible for the cesspool islamic society is.

or

2/. Carry on as you are now, shirk your obligation to civilization, continue to carry out atrocities in the name of the satanic allah, be a threat and burden to the rest of us.   

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Reply #260 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 4:30pm
 
That’s quite an argument for constitutional reform you’ve got there, Moses.

Does G’s obligation to civilisation include voting out religious freedom in the impending referendum?

Should we force people to vote yes?
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Reply #261 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 4:32pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 3:26pm:
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Gotta love those muslims hating everyone else.
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Muslims are murdering Psychopaths, just look at France, Never Trust a Mussey, Ever.
 
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Reply #262 - Nov 21st, 2015 at 9:05am
 
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Does someone refrain from saying something offensive because they want to? = not self censorship
Does someone refrain from saying something offensive - against their will purely by the fear (real or perceived) of what someone else might do in reaction (ie intimidated into doing so)? = self censorship.
The newspaper who refrains from "fanning the flames" falls into the former.


I see. So it is not self censorship if you merely want to avoid having your head hacked off by a crazy Muslim? But it is self censorship if you fear having your head hacked off by a crazy Muslim?

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Your spineless insistence that people should not, in the interests of freedom, speak their mind about Muhammad cartoons through fear of agreeing with the terrorists = self censorship. It really is that straight forward FD.


Quote me.

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In fact if we dig deeper, it reflects a more broader pattern of behaviour of yours here. Case in point: sprint is in here day in day out calling for Islam to be banned, muslims to be deported en-masse, mosques to be burned, muslims to be dumped in the desert etc etc. In 2007 you would have been all over him like a rash. Now you seem to go to great pains to tiptoe around not only him, but an entire legion of islamophobes here calling for the rights of muslims in the west to be systematically stripped. Apart from a token once in a blue moon word or two against banning the burqa, your silence towards these freedom haters is deafening.


Have you read my thread on the general board? We are having an interesting discussion about Sprint talking to some Muslims he knows about Islam.

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Clearly you have an agenda against Islam, which in itself is not wrong, but using freedom as a flimsy pretext with such a blatant double standard is.


Is this like your rant about people using wishy wahsy western liberal morals to cynically smear Islam?

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This was always evident in the way you tiptoe around incessant attacks on the freedoms of muslims


You have actually defended me against this sort of accusation before, citing examples of me defending the freedoms of Muslims.

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On the other side, corporate Australia will work overtime through the media to demonize the muslim population - using terrorism as the excuse. Through a concerted and cleverly targeted propaganda campaign, the transition in societal attitudes from "its only a radical fringe" to "actually this is real Islam" will start to eventuate. The political/legal side will of course compliment and reinforce the cultural side and vise versa.


It would be hard to outdo the efforts of your fellow Muslims to demonise Islam.

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Slowly the cultural transition will sift through to local administrative matters: mosque applications will of course be rejected, community events will stop inviting local muslim representatives, acts of vandalism and random attacks against muslims couldn't be ignored, but it will inevitably give a platform for the "while we condemn lawlessness and violence - there is an issue here with the muslim community that we shouldn't ignore" debate - which can only help the fight against Islam.


Sounds like the standard Mufti response to terrorism.

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Muslims will of course lash out - exactly as intended.


Surely not Gandalf. What makes you think Muslims would over-react like that?

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For a long time muslim institutions (mosques, schools) will survive, but they will be entirely isolated, cut off from their community, its members tribalised and defensive. For the non-muslims, every Islamic landmark will be etched on everyone's mind as places to be deeply suspicious of. Furthermore, because of the withdrawal of community support, they become run down and dilapidated, renovations are abandoned, grounds are no longer maintained - as no source of funds to maintain them are available.


So the government will stop funding Islam? Nice to see you have the Islamic victimhood mentality planned out so far in advance. What is your excuse for the terrorism that is already going on? Is it George Bush's fault?
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Reply #263 - Nov 21st, 2015 at 7:15pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 9:05am:
Is this like your rant about people using wishy wahsy western liberal morals to cynically smear Islam?



Correct me if I'm wrong, FD, but isn't that Freeeeedom?
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Reply #264 - Nov 21st, 2015 at 10:19pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 3:26pm:
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Like the Allahu Akhbaring boys in Paris, you mean?

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Reply #265 - Nov 21st, 2015 at 10:22pm
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 7:15pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 9:05am:
Is this like your rant about people using wishy wahsy western liberal morals to cynically smear Islam?



Correct me if I'm wrong, FD, but isn't that Freeeeedom?

No, it's not.

That is moronic, robotic, mindless spite.  The stuff you are filled with, PB.  You are unfree NOT to be a moronic, spiteful PB.



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Reply #266 - Nov 21st, 2015 at 10:36pm
 
Soren wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 10:22pm:
Karnal wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 7:15pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 9:05am:
Is this like your rant about people using wishy wahsy western liberal morals to cynically smear Islam?



Correct me if I'm wrong, FD, but isn't that Freeeeedom?

No, it's not.

That is moronic, robotic, mindless spite.  The stuff you are filled with, PB.  You are unfree NOT to be a moronic, spiteful PB.





Thanks, old boy, that's quite a compliment. You do like a bit of spite with your stool, don't you?

Miam miam.
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Reply #267 - Nov 21st, 2015 at 10:39pm
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 10:36pm:
Soren wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 10:22pm:
You are unfree NOT to be a moronic, spiteful PB.





Thanks, old boy, that's quite a compliment. You do like a bit of spite with your stool, don't you?

Miam miam.

What did I tell you.

You are a slave to your grinning idiocy. Nothing can be done about it.

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Reply #268 - Nov 21st, 2015 at 10:44pm
 
Soren wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 10:39pm:
Karnal wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 10:36pm:
Soren wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 10:22pm:
You are unfree NOT to be a moronic, spiteful PB.





Thanks, old boy, that's quite a compliment. You do like a bit of spite with your stool, don't you?

Miam miam.

What did I tell you.

You are a slave to your grinning idiocy. Nothing can be done about it.



All marvellous distractractions from the topic of your evasiveness, dear boy. Very nice.

Do you know? I think I will have a banana. No, let's make it two.

You owe me one.
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Reply #269 - Nov 21st, 2015 at 10:51pm
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 10:44pm:
Soren wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 10:39pm:
Karnal wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 10:36pm:
Soren wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 10:22pm:
You are unfree NOT to be a moronic, spiteful PB.





Thanks, old boy, that's quite a compliment. You do like a bit of spite with your stool, don't you?

Miam miam.

What did I tell you.

You are a slave to your grinning idiocy. Nothing can be done about it.



All marvellous distractractions from the topic of your evasiveness, dear boy. Very nice.

Do you know? I think I will have a banana. No, let's make it two.

You owe me one.


Keep the monkey noises down then.
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