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Reply #300 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 1:32pm

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 1:17pm:

you cannot make Islam a race.

And yet thats exactly what moses has done - a distinct genetic group of cultural degenerates.

Why do you continue to ignore the fact that hatred for Islam/muslims *CAN* be about race?

No one is trying to excuse or deflect attention away from Islamic crimes - not even the Grand Mufti. The only person deflecting here is you - in refusing to address the fact that anti-Islam sentiment can be, and is, about race.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #301 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 1:38pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 1:32pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 1:17pm:

you cannot make Islam a race.

And yet thats exactly what moses has done - a distinct genetic group of cultural degenerates.

Why do you continue to ignore the fact that hatred for Islam/muslims *CAN* be about race?

The old boy's not ignoring this, he's deflecting. The old boy justifies his hatred for Muslims based on many things. Sometimes it's race, sometimes it's "culture".

Catch him out on either one, and he'll play the old switcheroo. It's a classic old boy ruse, he's done it for years.

The old boy knows he has no acceptable framework of ideas to base his hate on. His pitch is based on a defence of Enlightenment values, which are all about pluralism. The old boy is as backward, tribal and full of incoherent rage as his Musel foes.

He just can't bring himself to admit this.

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Reply #302 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 1:52pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 1:32pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 1:17pm:

you cannot make Islam a race.

And yet thats exactly what moses has done - a distinct genetic group of cultural degenerates.

Is he right or is he wrong? You seem to insist that he is right just to be able to maintain your victimhood on the basis of race.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: the meaning of freedom Reply #303 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 2:00pm err.. I'm right that hatred of Islam can be racist.
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Reply #304 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 2:01pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 1:32pm:

The only person deflecting here is you - in refusing to address the fact that anti-Islam sentiment can be, and is, about race.

I do not accept that at all. Someone who is racists wouldn't care what your beliefs are, whether Muslim, Christian or atheist. The point of racism is that it doesn't matter what your individual ideas, culture, choices are, you are doomed a priori. To a racist it doesn't matter if you are a Christian or Muslim Arab, or Christian or Buddhist Chinese.

To a culturalist you are judged by your ideas and beliefs and conduct and moral choices you live by - all of them a posteriori, empirical principles. You are judged by your fruits, in other words.

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Reply #305 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 2:49pm

gandalf wrote Reply #292 - Today at 11:20am

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Moses believes that muslims are in a special category of genetic degenerates - due to their inbreeding. They believe what they believe because of this genetic degeneracy. From that point of view, Islam can hardly be considered a choice.

Oh dear, the poor old muzzie victim again.

1400 years of islamic inbreding has produced psychological (low I.Q., insanity, severe mental retardation, etc.) problems, plus severe physical deformaties. This is a scientific fact.

Your belief in islam is simply due to indoctrination and fanaticism, not your inbreeding.

You could take a child born from islamic inbreeding, he could have all the mental and physical problems associated with your inbreeding, raise that child as a Buddhist, he would be a severely mentally and physically retarded Buddhist.

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Moses' argument is a racialist argument by anyone's definition of the word.

Err no, scientific fact. (you're stuffed in the brain and body by your inbreeding).

Reply #300 - Today at 1:32pm
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And yet thats exactly what moses has done - a distinct genetic group of cultural degenerates.

Again no, a distinct group (who due to massive inbreeding), are mentally and physically retarded people.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: the meaning of freedom Reply #306 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 3:02pm polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 2:00pm: err.. I'm right that hatred of Islam can be racist. But then you must alsao concede that the Muslim hatred of the West (whites) and of the Jews is also racist.
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Reply #307 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 3:33pm

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 2:01pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 1:32pm:

The only person deflecting here is you - in refusing to address the fact that anti-Islam sentiment can be, and is, about race.

I do not accept that at all. Someone who is racists wouldn't care what your beliefs are, whether Muslim, Christian or atheist. The point of racism is that it doesn't matter what your individual ideas, culture, choices are, you are doomed a priori. To a racist it doesn't matter if you are a Christian or Muslim Arab, or Christian or Buddhist Chinese.

To a culturalist you are judged by your ideas and beliefs and conduct and moral choices you live by - all of them a posteriori, empirical principles. You are judged by your fruits, in other words.

A "culturalist", eh? Good show.

How about you correlation-not-causationists? You believe culture just happens to correlate with race, no? For you, they're inextricable. You've said so many times.

It's a statistical anomaly, but there you have it. The culture of the tinted races just happens to be inferior. And the Muselman?

He just happens to be tinted. Culture, innit.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: the meaning of freedom Reply #308 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 3:33pm Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 3:02pm: But then you must alsao concede that the Muslim hatred of the West (whites) and of the Jews is also racist In some cases, of course.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: the meaning of freedom Reply #309 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 3:35pm moses wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 2:49pm: 1400 years of islamic inbreding has produced psychological (low I.Q., insanity, severe mental retardation, etc.) problems, plus severe physical deformaties. This is a scientific fact. Soren - just in case you missed the "racialising" of muslims
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Reply #310 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 3:40pm

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 3:02pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 2:00pm:

err.. I'm right that hatred of Islam can be racist.

But then you must alsao concede that the Muslim hatred of the West (whites) and of the Jews is also racist.

Muslim hatred of Jews is definitely racist. Muslim hatred of "the West" comes from a list of grievances.

There may well be tinted Muslims who hate whites. I've never met one who has expressed this. In Australia, and in many parts of the world, whites have status.

One of the exceptions is east Asia. I've met a number of Chinese and Japanese people who do look down on whitey.

But I've never met a Middle-Easterner or Central Asian who believes the same.

Racism is a belief in the superiority of your own race. Now which naughty old boy has this belief etched into his world view?

Anyone?

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Reply #311 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 3:44pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 3:35pm:

moses wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

1400 years of islamic inbreding has produced psychological (low I.Q., insanity, severe mental retardation, etc.) problems, plus severe physical deformaties. This is a scientific fact.

Soren - just in case you missed the "racialising" of muslims

Keep up, G. Old boy has already agreed with this.

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Reply #312 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 4:00pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 3:44pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 3:35pm:

moses wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

1400 years of islamic inbreding has produced psychological (low I.Q., insanity, severe mental retardation, etc.) problems, plus severe physical deformaties. This is a scientific fact.

Soren - just in case you missed the "racialising" of muslims

Keep up, G. Old boy has already agreed with this.

Apparently not...

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 2:01pm:

I do not accept that at all. Someone who is racists wouldn't care what your beliefs are, whether Muslim, Christian or atheist. The point of racism is that it doesn't matter what your individual ideas, culture, choices are, you are doomed a priori. To a racist it doesn't matter if you are a Christian or Muslim Arab, or Christian or Buddhist Chinese.

To a culturalist you are judged by your ideas and beliefs and conduct and moral choices you live by - all of them a posteriori, empirical principles. You are judged by your fruits, in other words.

moses believes that the biological mental degeneracy of muslims causes their degenerate beliefs, whereas S pretty much argues the opposite (minus the biological aspect). S clearly articulates the view that muslims "should know better", and should be attacked because of their choice of belief/culture - rooted in the premise that they are redeemable. Moses on the other hand clearly takes the "doomed a-priori" view - because they are inately degenerate, because of genetics.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #313 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 4:49pm

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 1:52pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 1:32pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 1:17pm:

you cannot make Islam a race.

And yet thats exactly what moses has done - a distinct genetic group of cultural degenerates.

Is he right or is he wrong?

This is the old boy agreeing with Moses, G. It’s the age-old ruse.

Sometimes a question is just a question, no?

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Reply #314 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 5:07pm

gandalf wrote:

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moses believes that the biological mental degeneracy of muslims causes their degenerate beliefs, whereas S pretty much argues the opposite (minus the biological aspect). S clearly articulates the view that muslims "should know better", and should be attacked because of their choice of belief/culture - rooted in the premise that they are redeemable. Moses on the other hand clearly takes the "doomed a-priori" view - because they are inately degenerate, because of genetics.

I wrote Reply #305 - Today at 2:49pm
Your belief in islam is simply due to indoctrination and fanaticism, not your inbreeding.

You could take a child born from islamic inbreeding, he could have all the mental and physical problems associated with your inbreeding, raise that child as a Buddhist, he would be a severely mentally and physically retarded Buddhist.

You're afraid of the truth gandalf, your severe physical and mental deformities are caused by your inbreeding.

Your beliefs are idealistic, formed by your indoctrination / fanaticism / social values etc.

If you wanted to help muslims you would criticize and condemn islamic incestuous inbreeding.

But you can't can you?

To help your people with some common sense means you have to blame yourselves, your beliefs, your god and your prophet as wrong, not fit for today's society.

You're trapped by your own religious psychosis gandalf.

muslims are right where they want to be, through their own freedom of choice.

The irony is that muslims are the ones who are going to suffer the most, through their own stupidity (devotedly aided and abetted by your apologists)

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