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Reply #330 - Dec 1^st, 2015 at 3:45pm

The lying muslims and their apologists will never truthfully answer why the crusades began.

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The Timeline of muslim and Christian crusades:

630 Two years before Muhammad’s death of a fever, he launches the Tabuk Crusades, in which he led 30,000 jihadists against the Byzantine Christians. He had heard a report that a huge army had amassed to attack Arabia, but the report turned out to be a false rumor. The Byzantine army never materialized. He turned around and went home, but not before extracting "agreements" from northern tribes. They could enjoy the "privilege" of living under Islamic "protection" (read: not be attacked by Islam), if they paid a tax. This tax sets the stage for Muhammad’s and the later Caliphs’ policies. If the attacked city or region did not want to convert to Islam, then they paid a jizya tax. If they converted, then they paid a zakat tax. Either way, money flowed back to the Islamic treasury in Arabia or to the local Muslim governor.

632-634 Under the Caliphate of Abu Bakr the Muslim Crusaders reconquer and sometimes conquer for the first time the polytheists of Arabia. These Arab polytheists had to convert to Islam or die. They did not have the choice of remaining in their faith and paying a tax. Islam does not allow for religious freedom.

633 The Muslim Crusaders, led by Khalid al-Walid, a superior but bloodthirsty military commander, whom Muhammad nicknamed the Sword of Allah for his ferocity in battle (Tabari, 8:158 / 1616-17), conquer the city of Ullays along the Euphrates River (in today’s Iraq). Khalid captures and beheads so many that a nearby canal, into which the blood flowed, was called Blood Canal (Tabari 11:24 / 2034-35).

634 At the Battle of Yarmuk in Syria the Muslim Crusaders defeat the Byzantines. Today Osama bin Laden draws inspiration from the defeat, and especially from an anecdote about Khalid al-Walid. In Khalid’s day an unnamed Muslim remarks: "The Romans are so numerous and the Muslims so few." To this Khalid retorts: "How few are the Romans, and how many the Muslims! Armies become numerous only with victory and few only with defeat, not by the number of men. By God, I would love it . . . if the enemy were twice as many" (Tabari, 11:94 / 2095). Osama bin Laden quotes Khalid and says that his fighters love death more than we in the West love life. This philosophy of death probably comes from a verse like Sura 2:96. Muhammad assesses the Jews: "[Prophet], you are sure to find them [the Jews] clinging to life more eagerly than any other people, even polytheists" (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur’an, Oxford UP, 2004; first insertion in brackets is Haleem’s; the second mine).

634-644 The Caliphate of Umar ibn al-Khattab, who is regarded as particularly brutal.

635 Muslim Crusaders besiege and conquer of Damascus.

636 Muslim Crusaders defeat Byzantines decisively at Battle of Yarmuk.

637 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iraq at the Battle of al-Qadisiyyah (some date it in 635 or 636).

638 Muslim Crusaders conquer and annex Jerusalem, taking it from the Byzantines.

638-650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iran, except along CaspiaSea.

639-642 Muslim Crusaders conquer Egypt.

641 Muslim Crusaders control Syria and Palestine.

643-707 Muslim Crusaders conquer North Africa.

644 Caliph Umar is assassinated by a Persian prisoner of war; Uthman ibn Affan is elected third Caliph, who is regarded by many Muslims as gentler than Umar.

644-650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Cyprus, Tripoli in North Africa, and establish Islamic rule in Iran, Afghanistan, and Sind.

656 Caliph Uthman is assassinated by disgruntled Muslim soldiers; Ali ibn Abi Talib, son-in-law and cousin to Muhammad, who married the prophet’s daughter Fatima through his first wife Khadija,

656 Battle of the Camel, in which Aisha, Muhammad’s wife, leads a rebellion against Ali for not avenging Uthman’s assassination. Ali’s partisans win.

657 Battle of Siffin between Ali and Muslim governor of Jerusalem, arbitration goes against Ali

661 Murder of Ali by an extremist; Ali’s supporters acclaim his son Hasan as next Caliph, but he comes to an agreement with Muawiyyah I and retires to Medina.

661-680 the Caliphate of Muawiyyah I. He founds Umayyid dynasty and moves capital from Medina to Damascus

673-678 Arabs besiege Constantinople, capital of Byzantine Empire

680 Massacre of Hussein (Muhammad’s grandson), his family, and his supporters in Karbala, Iraq.

691 Dome of the Rock is completed in Jerusalem, only six decades after Muhammad’s death.

705 Abd al-Malik restores Umayyad rule.

710-713 Muslim Crusaders conquer the lower Indus Valley.

711-713 Muslim Crusaders conquer Spain and impose the kingdom of Andalus. This article recounts how Muslims today still grieve over their expulsion 700 years later. They seem to believe that the land belonged to them in the first place.

719 Cordova, Spain, becomes seat of Arab governorship.

732 The Muslim Crusaders are stopped at the Battle of Poitiers; that is, Franks (France) halt Arab advance.

749 The Abbasids conquer Kufah and overthrow Umayyids.

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Reply #331 - Dec 1^st, 2015 at 3:48pm

756 Foundation of Umayyid emirate in Cordova, Spain, setting up an independent kingdom from Abbasids.

762 Foundation of Baghdad

785 Foundation of the Great Mosque of Cordova

789 Rise of Idrisid emirs (Muslim Crusaders) in Morocco;

foundation of Fez; Christoforos, a Muslim who converted to Christianity, is executed.

800 Autonomous Aghlabid dynasty (Muslim Crusaders) in Tunisia.

807 Caliph Harun al-Rashid orders the destruction of non-Muslim prayer houses and of the Church of Mary Magdalene in Jerusalem.

809 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sardinia, Italy.

813 Christians in Palestine are attacked; many flee the country.

831 Muslim Crusaders capture of Palermo, Italy; raids in Southern Italy.

850 Caliph al-Matawakkil orders the destruction of non-Muslim houses of prayer.

855 Revolt of the Christians of Hims (Syria)

837-901 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sicily, raid Corsica, Italy, France.

869-883 Revolt of black slaves in Iraq

909 Rise of the Fatimid Caliphate in Tunisia; these Muslim Crusaders occupy Sicily, Sardinia.

928-969 Byzantine military revival, they retake old territories, such as Cyprus (964) and Tarsus (969).

937 The Ikhshid, a particularly harsh Muslim ruler, writes to Emperor Romanus, boasting of his control over the holy places.

937 The Church of the Resurrection (known as Church of Holy Sepulcher in Latin West) is burned down by Muslims; more churches in Jerusalem are attacked .

960 Conversion of Qarakhanid Turks to Islam

966 Anti-Christian riots in Jerusalem

969 Fatimids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Egypt and found Cairo.

970 Seljuks enter conquered Islamic territories from the East.

973 Israel and southern Syria are again conquered by the Fatimids.

1003 First persecutions by al-Hakim; the Church of St. Mark in Fustat, Egypt, is destroyed.

1009 Destruction of the Church of the Resurrection by al-Hakim (see 937)

1012 Beginning of al-Hakim’s oppressive decrees against Jews and Christians

1015 Earthquake in Palestine; the dome of the Dome of the Rock collapses.

1031 Collapse of Umayyid Caliphate and establishment of 15 minor independent dynasties throughout Muslim Andalus

1048 Reconstruction of the Church of the Resurrection completed

1050 Creation of Almoravid (Muslim Crusaders) movement in Mauretania; Almoravids (also known as Murabitun) are coalition of western Saharan Berbers; followers of Islam, focusing on the Quran, the hadith, and Maliki law.

1055 Seljuk Prince Tughrul enters Baghdad, consolidation of the Seljuk Sultanate.

1055 Confiscation of property of Church of the Resurrection

1071 Battle of Manzikert, Seljuk Turks (Muslim Crusaders) defeat Byzantines and occupy much of Anatolia.

1071 Turks (Muslim Crusaders) invade Palestine.

1073 Conquest of Jerusalem by Turks (Muslim Crusaders)

1075 Seljuks (Muslim Crusaders) capture Nicea (Iznik) and make it their capital in Anatolia.

1076 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) conquer western Ghana.

1085 Toledo is taken back by Christian armies.

1086 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) send help to Andalus, Battle of Zallaca.

1090-1091 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) occupy all of Andalus except Saragossa and Balearic Islands.

1094 Byzantine Emperor Alexius Comnenus I asks western Christendom for help against Seljuk invasions of his territory; Seljuks are Muslim Turkish family of eastern origins; see 970.

1095 Pope Urban II preaches first Crusade; they capture Jerusalem in 1099

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96250 Gender:	Re: the meaning of freedom Reply #332 - Dec 1^st, 2015 at 4:39pm ... wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 8:29am: The question was why. They wanted to make Palestine European. Why do you think?
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Reply #333 - Dec 1^st, 2015 at 6:01pm

... wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 9:14pm:

M Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 8:20pm:

... wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 8:00pm:

Europe probably owes it's survival to the mongols, who near annihilated the muselmen before the muselmen could annihilate Europe. They sure gave it a try though, and we shouldnt give them another chance.

Funny thing is, the house churches in China and Korea will one day start moving West and will overwhelm the no-idea, no-innovation hordes of illiterate Muslims.

The next crusade against Islam is coming from the East.

You heard it here first.

Will durant saw the west, Islam and the orient as 3 distinct powers. They will continue to jostle with each other, regardless how many idiots talk about their "one world" utopia.

The Orient is turning Christian. History will unfold unexpectedly.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: the meaning of freedom Reply #334 - Dec 1^st, 2015 at 6:03pm Karnal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 4:39pm: ... wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 8:29am: The question was why. They wanted to make Palestine European. Why do you think? See how stupid you are, PB?? If you don't, we do. You are thick and dense as old, crusty molasses.
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Re: the meaning of freedom
Reply #335 - Dec 1^st, 2015 at 8:06pm

Soren wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 6:03pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 4:39pm:

... wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 8:29am:

The question was why.

They wanted to make Palestine European.

Why do you think?

See how stupid you are, PB??

If you don't, we do. You are thick and dense as old, crusty molasses.

Oh, old boy, you’ve already proven your skills in stupidity and mendacity. Now you want a jolly debate on history?

The crusaders wanted to reconquer the Holy Lands for Christendom, as every schoolboy knows. Disagree with all the mendacity you can.muster, dear boy. You did study at the University of Balogney, so we all feel for you.

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Reply #336 - Dec 1^st, 2015 at 8:09pm

Soren wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 6:01pm:

... wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 9:14pm:

M Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 8:20pm:

... wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 8:00pm:

Europe probably owes it's survival to the mongols, who near annihilated the muselmen before the muselmen could annihilate Europe. They sure gave it a try though, and we shouldnt give them another chance.

Funny thing is, the house churches in China and Korea will one day start moving West and will overwhelm the no-idea, no-innovation hordes of illiterate Muslims.

The next crusade against Islam is coming from the East.

You heard it here first.

Will durant saw the west, Islam and the orient as 3 distinct powers. They will continue to jostle with each other, regardless how many idiots talk about their "one world" utopia.

The Orient is turning Christian. History will unfold unexpectedly.

Very true. You see? You can make a compelling point.

And yes, history most certainly is turning unexpectantly.

Always absolutely never ever, innit.

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Reply #337 - Dec 1^st, 2015 at 9:54pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 4:00pm:

whereas S pretty much argues the opposite (minus the biological aspect). S clearly articulates the view that muslims "should know better", and should be attacked because of their choice of belief/culture - rooted in the premise that they are redeemable. Moses on the other hand clearly takes the "doomed a-priori" view - because they are inately degenerate, because of genetics.

Very good - if you believe in Islam you ARE responsible for that belief. You have taken on the responsibility for Islam. You are not a passive fVcken VICTIM of it but its conscious, free and considered adherent and follower. It's evil deeds are YOUR responsibility.

There must be thousands of conscientious objectors to Islam, people in possession of a normal moral compass, who are ABANDONING Islam in the wake of every new atrocity in the name of Islam.
You either take responsibility for the way Islam is or you abandon Islam. You cannot say "I am a Muslim but I have nuffin' to do wiv the way Islam is."

Go ahead, say it, say that you are a Muslim but you have nuffin' to do wiv the way Islam is. Go on, Gandy, say it.

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Reply #339 - Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 9:11am

Soren wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 9:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 4:00pm:

whereas S pretty much argues the opposite (minus the biological aspect). S clearly articulates the view that muslims "should know better", and should be attacked because of their choice of belief/culture - rooted in the premise that they are redeemable. Moses on the other hand clearly takes the "doomed a-priori" view - because they are inately degenerate, because of genetics.

Very good - if you believe in Islam you ARE responsible for that belief. You have taken on the responsibility for Islam. You are not a passive fVcken VICTIM of it but its conscious, free and considered adherent and follower. It's evil deeds are YOUR responsibility.

There must be thousands of conscientious objectors to Islam, people in possession of a normal moral compass, who are ABANDONING Islam in the wake of every new atrocity in the name of Islam.
You either take responsibility for the way Islam is or you abandon Islam. You cannot say "I am a Muslim but I have nuffin' to do wiv the way Islam is."

Go ahead, say it, say that you are a Muslim but you have nuffin' to do wiv the way Islam is. Go on, Gandy, say it.

Soren, I have nuffin' to do wiv the way some muslims behave that are contrary to my own beliefs on Islam.

If I was materially supporting or advancing their cause - or even giving moral support, even tacitly, then you could level the accusation at me with some plausibility.

You, on the other hand give tacit support to anti-Islam violence - by continually refusing to say anything against it. I've been giving you the opportunity these last few weeks, but not a peep. Just deflection deflection deflection. You, therefore, by your own standards, are far more responsible for 'evil deeds" in the name of a certain ideology than me. Think about that S.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #340 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 12:29pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 11:13am:

Soren wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 10:19pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 3:26pm:

haters gonna hate Cry

Like the Allahu Akhbaring boys in Paris, you mean?

Good evading again S, you really are masterful at this.

You don't see any problem at all with moses' "muslims are degenerate, inbred, intellectually inferior bloodthirsty bastards - who will always be bloodthirsty bastards on account of their inferior genes, always absolutely never ever" - meme?

Is it because you sympathise with such blatant racism err ethnic-based bigotry and can't quite bring yourself to address it for what it is?

I mean you really can't pull out the "its only criticism of ideas" card in the case of moses now can you?

Do you deny the problems stemming from inbreeding among middle eastern Muslims? That's what happens when you force women to wear bags over their heads.

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People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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Reply #341 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 12:42pm

freediver wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 12:29pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 11:13am:

Soren wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 10:19pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 3:26pm:

haters gonna hate Cry

Like the Allahu Akhbaring boys in Paris, you mean?

Good evading again S, you really are masterful at this.

You don't see any problem at all with moses' "muslims are degenerate, inbred, intellectually inferior bloodthirsty bastards - who will always be bloodthirsty bastards on account of their inferior genes, always absolutely never ever" - meme?

Is it because you sympathise with such blatant racism err ethnic-based bigotry and can't quite bring yourself to address it for what it is?

I mean you really can't pull out the "its only criticism of ideas" card in the case of moses now can you?

Do you deny the problems stemming from inbreeding among middle eastern Muslims? That's what happens when you force women to wear bags over their heads.

Inbreeding is always a problem.

What about you FD - do you see anything "racist" in the argument that the world's muslim population is a specific genetic sub-group of intellectual retards?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #342 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 1:57pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 12:42pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 12:29pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 11:13am:

Soren wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 10:19pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 3:26pm:

haters gonna hate Cry

Like the Allahu Akhbaring boys in Paris, you mean?

Good evading again S, you really are masterful at this.

You don't see any problem at all with moses' "muslims are degenerate, inbred, intellectually inferior bloodthirsty bastards - who will always be bloodthirsty bastards on account of their inferior genes, always absolutely never ever" - meme?

Is it because you sympathise with such blatant racism err ethnic-based bigotry and can't quite bring yourself to address it for what it is?

I mean you really can't pull out the "its only criticism of ideas" card in the case of moses now can you?

Do you deny the problems stemming from inbreeding among middle eastern Muslims? That's what happens when you force women to wear bags over their heads.

Inbreeding is always a problem.

What about you FD - do you see anything "racist" in the argument that the world's muslim population is a specific genetic sub-group of intellectual retards?

Absolutely not. Islam is not a race.

They just happen to be a specific genetic sub-group of intellectual retards.

It's the bags on their heads, you see.

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Reply #343 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 2:15pm

The below extracts were written by By Danish psychologist Nicolai Sennels:

A tragic phenomenon which is taking a terrible toll on everyone involved.

There is a dire phenomenon rising in Europe that is crippling entire societies and yet the continent sleeps, refusing not only to confront the destructive elephant in the room, but also to admit its very existence.

The troubling reality being referred to is the widespread practice of Muslim inbreeding and the birth defects and social ills that it spawns.

The tragic effect of the Left’s control of the boundaries of debate is that any discussion about vital issues such as these marks an individual as an “Islamophobe” and a “racist."

A person who dares to point at the pathology of inbreeding in the Muslim community is accused of whipping up hatred against Muslim people.

Massive inbreeding
Massive inbreeding among Muslims has been going on since their prophet allowed first-cousin marriages more than 50 generations (1,400 years) ago. For many Muslims, therefore, intermarriage is regarded as being part of their religion.

In many Muslim communities, it is a source of social status to marry one’s daughter or son to his or her cousin. Intermarriage also ensures that wealth is kept within the family.

Islam’s strict authoritarianism plays a large role as well: keeping daughters and sons close gives families more power to control and decide their choices and lifestyles.

Intermarrying to protect the family and community from outside non-Islamic influence is much more important to Muslims living in a Western nation than integrating into that nation and supporting it.

Today, 70% of all Pakistanis are inbred and in Turkey the amount is between 25-30% (Jyllands-Posten, 27/2 2009 “More stillbirths among immigrants“).

A rough estimate reveals that close to half of everybody living in the Arab world is inbred.

A large percentage of the parents that are blood related come from families where intermarriage has been a tradition for generations.

A BBC investigation in Britain several years ago revealed that at least 55% of the Pakistani community in Britain was married to a first cousin.

The Times of India affirmed that “this is thought to be linked to the probability that a British Pakistani family is at least 13 times more likely than the general population to have children with recessive genetic disorders.”

The BBC’s research also discovered that while British Pakistanis accounted for just 3.4% of all births in Britain, they accounted for 30% of all British children with recessive disorders and a higher rate of infant mortality.

It is not a surprise, therefore, that, in response to this evidence, a Labour Party MP has called for a ban on first-cousin marriage.

Medical evidence shows that one of the negative consequences of inbreeding is a 100% increase in the risk of stillbirths.

One study comparing Norwegians and Pakistanis shows the risk that the child dies during labour increases by 50%. The risk of death due to autosomal recessive disorders — e.g., cystic fibrosis and spinal muscular atrophy — is 18 times higher.

Risk of death due to malformations is 10 times higher. Mental health is also at risk: the probability of depression is higher in communities where consanguine marriages are also high.

The closer the blood relative, the higher the risk of mental and physical retardation and schizophrenic illness.

And then there are the findings on intelligence. Research shows that if one’s parents are cousins, intelligence goes down 10-16 IQ points. The risk of having an IQ lower than 70 (criterion for being “retarded”) increases 400% among children from cousin marriages.

An academic paper published in the Indian National Science Academy found that “the onset of various social profiles like visual fixation, social smile, sound seizures, oral expression and hand-grasping are significantly delayed among the new-born inbred babies.”

Another study found that Indian Muslim schoolboys whose parents were first cousins tested significantly lower than boys whose parents were unrelated in a non-verbal test on intelligence.

It is estimated that one third of all handicapped people in Copenhagen have a foreign background and 64% of school children in Denmark with Arabic parents are illiterate after 10 years in the Danish school system.

The same study concludes that in reading ability, mathematics, and science, the pattern is the same: “The bilingual (largely Muslim) immigrants’ skills are exceedingly poor compared to their Danish classmates.”

These problems within Islam bring many detriments to Western countries. Expenses related to mentally and physically handicapped Muslim immigrants, for instance, severely drain the budgets and resources of our societies.

Denmark, for example: One third of the budget for the country’s schools is spent on children with special needs. Muslim children are grossly over-represented among these children.

More than half of all children in schools for children with mental and physical handicaps in Copenhagen are foreigners — of whom Muslims are by far the largest group. One study concludes that “foreigners inbreeding costs our municipalities millions” because of the many handicapped children and adults.

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Reply #344 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 2:16pm

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close to half of all Muslims in the world are inbred:
*70% of Pakistanis are inbred.

*67% of Saudi Arabians are inbred.

*64% of those living in Jordan and Kuwait are inbred.

*63% of Sudanese are inbred.

*60% of Iraqis are inbred.

*54% of Muslims in the United Arab Emirates and Qatar are inbred.

*25-30% of those in Turkey are inbred.

*In England, at least 55% of Pakistani immigrants are married to their first cousins.

*In Denmark the number of inbred Pakistani immigrants is around 40%

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Just another classic example of the degeneracy and stupidity of islam.

They are what they are by their own choice, desperately trying to shut down any exposure of their islamic imbecility.

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