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Reply #390 - Dec 5^th, 2015 at 4:15pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 2:24pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:

As I said, the 'vast majority' are cowardly and cede the agenda to the Islamists who have the courage of their convictions.

The vast majority just want to get on with their lives. Non-fanatics are, funnily enough, characterised by their non-fanaticism. Thats what most muslims are - non-fanatics, and yes, I guess it is a reality of life that fanatics tend to steal the headlines - what you call "ceding the agenda" - the news agenda.

You still haven't explained what you mean by "stand up" to the extremists.

Do not provide the sea in which they swim.

I said elsewhere that I would confiscate the properties of all jihadis and their families and deport or or jail them for aiding and abetting. The 'Muslim community' is getting away with allowing the jihadis to exist among them. They shouldn't be.

I bet you that if the entire extended family's property was confiscated and they were all deported and/or jailed they would spot and stoop the radicalisation pronto because it wouldn't be worth it: they would fear the authorities more than they fear the jihadis.

As it is now, it's always 'oh, he was a good boy, nuffin' to see hear, nuffin' to wiv us'.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: the meaning of freedom Reply #391 - Dec 5^th, 2015 at 4:39pm You're proposing a government policy S. You're also describing the culpability of the tiny percentage of muslims who have jihadist's in their own family. These are interesting points of discussion, but whats it got to do with how an individual muslim who has no jihadists in their family, should "stand up" to the jihadists?
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Reply #392 - Dec 5^th, 2015 at 7:19pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 12:42pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 12:29pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 11:13am:

Soren wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 10:19pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 3:26pm:

haters gonna hate Cry

Like the Allahu Akhbaring boys in Paris, you mean?

Good evading again S, you really are masterful at this.

You don't see any problem at all with moses' "muslims are degenerate, inbred, intellectually inferior bloodthirsty bastards - who will always be bloodthirsty bastards on account of their inferior genes, always absolutely never ever" - meme?

Is it because you sympathise with such blatant racism err ethnic-based bigotry and can't quite bring yourself to address it for what it is?

I mean you really can't pull out the "its only criticism of ideas" card in the case of moses now can you?

Do you deny the problems stemming from inbreeding among middle eastern Muslims? That's what happens when you force women to wear bags over their heads.

Inbreeding is always a problem.

What about you FD - do you see anything "racist" in the argument that the world's muslim population is a specific genetic sub-group of intellectual retards?

So you agree with the inbreeding bit?

I assume the always, absolutely never ever bit is you channeling Karnal.

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Reply #393 - Dec 5^th, 2015 at 8:43pm

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 7:19pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 12:42pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 12:29pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 11:13am:

Soren wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 10:19pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 3:26pm:

haters gonna hate Cry

Like the Allahu Akhbaring boys in Paris, you mean?

Good evading again S, you really are masterful at this.

You don't see any problem at all with moses' "muslims are degenerate, inbred, intellectually inferior bloodthirsty bastards - who will always be bloodthirsty bastards on account of their inferior genes, always absolutely never ever" - meme?

Is it because you sympathise with such blatant racism err ethnic-based bigotry and can't quite bring yourself to address it for what it is?

I mean you really can't pull out the "its only criticism of ideas" card in the case of moses now can you?

Do you deny the problems stemming from inbreeding among middle eastern Muslims? That's what happens when you force women to wear bags over their heads.

Inbreeding is always a problem.

What about you FD - do you see anything "racist" in the argument that the world's muslim population is a specific genetic sub-group of intellectual retards?

So you agree with the inbreeding bit?

I assume the always, absolutely never ever bit is you channeling Karnal.

I said inbreeding is a problem. There is strong evidence it perpetuates certain recessive gene abnormalities and conditions. But there is little to no evidence it creates significant intellectual retardation, and certainly renders moses' thesis of a world muslim population that has become genetically distinct in terms of intellectual retardation into pure baseless fiction. Do you have a word for this sort of baseless genetic profiling of a diverse group of people from all over the globe who follow a particular religion if not racism? Legitimate criticism of ideas perhaps?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #394 - Dec 5^th, 2015 at 9:09pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 8:43pm:

Do you have a word for this sort of baseless genetic profiling of a diverse group of people from all over the globe who follow a particular religion if not racism? Legitimate criticism of ideas perhaps?

Yes, G, it's Freeeedom. What else would you call a legitimate criticism of the tinted races who become Muselmen to take away the freeeedoms of decent white people everywhere?

You say racist, I say Freeeedom.

What a swell party it is, yes?

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Reply #395 - Dec 5^th, 2015 at 10:04pm

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I said inbreeding is a problem. There is strong evidence it perpetuates certain recessive gene abnormalities and conditions. But there is little to no evidence it creates significant intellectual retardation

So there is no link between "gene abnormalities and conditions" and intellectual retardation?

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and certainly renders moses' thesis of a world muslim population that has become genetically distinct in terms of intellectual retardation into pure baseless fiction

I don't recall reading Moses's thoughts on the speciation process. Never ever.

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Reply #396 - Dec 5^th, 2015 at 11:39pm

Sometimes a question is just a question, FD.

Is the Muselman biologically programmed to take away the freeeedoms of decent white people everywhere?

Is the Muselman’s level of backward tintedness responsible for his rat-cunning?

Are his recessive genes and shady pigmentation to blame for his need to kill decent white people and rape our women?

Don’t answer that, FD. Remember, Islam is not a race.

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Reply #398 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 9:08am

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 10:04pm:

I don't recall reading Moses's thoughts on the speciation process.

Define "speciation process" FD. Is it claiming a particular group of people have been genetically modified into a new biological sub-group? Maybe like...

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muslims following muhammad's lead, have now genetically modified themselves into a group where low I.Q. and physical defects are the norm.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1382857194/0

Again - do you have a word to describe this sort of relegation of a broad global population into an inferior genetic sub-group - if not racism? I'm just trying to work out how this sort of narrative can be interpreted as a legitimate criticism of ideas - and how criticism of Islam can never ever be a form of racism as you and soren constantly assure us.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49281 At my desk.	Re: the meaning of freedom Reply #399 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 9:29am They are certainly very common, but I doubt they are the norm. You agree that this is a serious problem yes? Or is it more important to push the Islamic victimhood complex?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96294 Gender:	Re: the meaning of freedom Reply #400 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 10:39am freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 8:33am: yes Ban them.
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Reply #401 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 11:14am

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 9:29am:

They are certainly very common, but I doubt they are the norm. You agree that this is a serious problem yes? Or is it more important to push the Islamic victimhood complex?

You are not being clear FD - what do you mean by "they are certainly very common" - racists who are racist against muslims?

Inbreeding is a serious problem wherever it occurs - and its not restricted to muslim countries. But that doesn't mean we give a free pass to the moseses of the world to make these sweeping broad brush statements about the genetics of muslims to explain their irrational behaviour. The vast majority of muslims don't engage in inbreeding, and pointing out the clearly prejudicial and bigoted nature of moses' views shouldn't be avoided on the basis that it might feed into some victimhood complex (real or otherwise).

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #402 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 1:52pm

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Inbreeding is a serious problem wherever it occurs - and its not restricted to muslim countries. But that doesn't mean we give a free pass to the moseses of the world to make these sweeping broad brush statements about the genetics of muslims to explain their irrational behaviour.

It's a valid theory. The ones who have lived under the yoke of Islam for the longest do seem to be the craziest. There's a broad statement for you.

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The vast majority of muslims don't engage in inbreeding

Another broad statement. What percentage do you think do it in the middle east?

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Reply #403 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 2:59pm

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 1:52pm:

Another broad statement. What percentage do you think do it in the middle east?

A broad statement that is a pertinent response to moses' theory - which asserts that muslims as a whole represent an intellectually retarded genetic population. Since, for example, there is next to no inbreeding in the largest muslim country on earth.

Again, do you consider this sort of pidgeon-holing of a broad and diverse global population into an inferior genetic sub-group is racist in nature? Or do you have another term for it? Why do you refuse to say?

Do you at least acknowledge that this is one instance where criticism of muslims (ie saying they are genetically inferior) is not merely legitimate criticising of ideas - as we are constantly lectured?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #404 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 3:25pm

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A broad statement that is a pertinent response to moses' theory - which asserts that muslims as a whole represent an intellectually retarded genetic population.

That's so silly. Only the inbred ones are inbred. I'm glad we go this sorted out Gandalf. Do you have any other questions for me?

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Again, do you consider this sort of pidgeon-holing of a broad and diverse global population into an inferior genetic sub-group is racist in nature? Or do you have another term for it? Why do you refuse to say?
Do you at least acknowledge that this is one instance where criticism of muslims (ie saying they are genetically inferior) is not merely legitimate criticising of ideas - as we are constantly lectured?

Good point. He should have specified the racial group involved rather than tarring all Muslims with the same brush. There's no need to be politically incorrect about this sort of thing.

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