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Reply #465 - Dec 12^th, 2015 at 8:15am

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You can say both. This is you continuing to misinterpret "shouldn't publish" as "shouldn't be allowed to publish".

We have been talking about self censorship Gandalf. Remember that time you stumbled across a definition of it?

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If so, it’s never worked.

Are you unsure whether it is self censorship?

How do you know it never worked Karnal? You seem to approach every discussion with a view that if you don't see it, it doesn't exist. You made the same mistake in the economics thread.

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Critics of every doctrine continue to write and publish books (cartoons, whatever). Even Rushdie said he’d never shut up, and he hasn’t.

Why has Hollywood never made a movie about Muhammed?

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The only places where writers self-censor are those with censorship laws. That’s the point of self-censoring - to get in first.

That makes no sense.

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Re: the meaning of freedom
Reply #466 - Dec 12^th, 2015 at 12:42pm

You know, FD? You’re right. Trey Parker experienced the sort of fear you speak of at the high levels of network TV.

But Trey Parker fought to get his Muhammed South Park episode on air. He didn’t give a sh1t. Fox executives did.

I don’t call this self-censorship, but I agree that it’s evidence of your point about the sort of censorship terrorism generates.

An epic film on Muhammed was released only this year. Muhammed: Messenger of God was produced in Iran.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49233 At my desk.	Re: the meaning of freedom Reply #467 - Dec 12^th, 2015 at 2:38pm Did it depict him in any way?
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Re: the meaning of freedom
Reply #468 - Dec 12^th, 2015 at 6:23pm

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2015 at 2:38pm:

Did it depict him in any way?

Not much, by the look of it.

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Controversial Muhammad biopic selected by Iran for Oscars contention

Muhammad: The Messenger of God, the most expensive movie yet made in Iran, has been chosen by the country to be put forward for the 2016 Academy Awards

Catherine Shoard

Muhammad: The Messenger of God, a blockbuster about the birth of Islam, has been selected by Iran as its contender for the forthcoming Oscars.

More on this topicMuhammad: Messenger of God review – evocative account of Islam’s gestation

Majid Majidi’s $40m (£26.5m) movie, which was part government-funded and is the most expensive production yet mounted in the country, has reportedly taken almost $2m to date in its first month on release in almost half of Iran’s 320 screens.

Yet some have been angered at its partial – blurry, just feet or from the back – depiction of the prophet, whose life from birth until the age of 12 is shown in the film.

Sunni religious authorities have protested, while a group of Muslim clerics in India has issued a fatwa against the film-makers. At its premiere as part of the Montreal film festival, a small number of Canadians protested outside the cinema.

Speaking at the festival, Majidi said he hoped the biopic would help counter the “violent image” of his religion, as propagated by jihadists. “The more movies that are made about the prophet’s life,” said Majidi, “the better”.

More on this topicAR Rahman responds to Muhammad: Messenger of God fatwa

The film’s Oscar credentials are impressive: cinematographer Vittorio Storaro is a multiple award-winner, as is AR Rahman, the composer behind the film’s soundtrack. Majidi, meanwhile, previously bagged his country their initial nomination, for Children of Heaven in 1998.

Iran was first triumphant in the foreign language film category in 2012, with Asghar Farhadi’s A Separation.

Current frontrunners in the race include two hits from Cannes – the Auschwitz drama Son of Saul (Hungary) and Rams (Iceland) – as well as Chile’s The Club, the Norwegian disaster drama The Wave and the winner of last year’s Venice film festival, A Pigeon Sat on a Branch Reflecting on Existence (Sweden).

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/sep/28/muhammed-the-messenger-of-god-biopic...

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Re: the meaning of freedom
Reply #469 - Dec 12^th, 2015 at 6:30pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 12^th, 2015 at 6:23pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2015 at 2:38pm:

Did it depict him in any way?

Not much, by the look of it.

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Controversial Muhammad biopic selected by Iran for Oscars contention

Muhammad: The Messenger of God, the most expensive movie yet made in Iran, has been chosen by the country to be put forward for the 2016 Academy Awards

Catherine Shoard

Muhammad: The Messenger of God, a blockbuster about the birth of Islam, has been selected by Iran as its contender for the forthcoming Oscars.

More on this topicMuhammad: Messenger of God review – evocative account of Islam’s gestation

Majid Majidi’s $40m (£26.5m) movie, which was part government-funded and is the most expensive production yet mounted in the country, has reportedly taken almost $2m to date in its first month on release in almost half of Iran’s 320 screens.

Yet some have been angered at its partial – blurry, just feet or from the back – depiction of the prophet, whose life from birth until the age of 12 is shown in the film.

Sunni religious authorities have protested, while a group of Muslim clerics in India has issued a fatwa against the film-makers. At its premiere as part of the Montreal film festival, a small number of Canadians protested outside the cinema.

Speaking at the festival, Majidi said he hoped the biopic would help counter the “violent image” of his religion, as propagated by jihadists. “The more movies that are made about the prophet’s life,” said Majidi, “the better”.

More on this topicAR Rahman responds to Muhammad: Messenger of God fatwa

The film’s Oscar credentials are impressive: cinematographer Vittorio Storaro is a multiple award-winner, as is AR Rahman, the composer behind the film’s soundtrack. Majidi, meanwhile, previously bagged his country their initial nomination, for Children of Heaven in 1998.

Iran was first triumphant in the foreign language film category in 2012, with Asghar Farhadi’s A Separation.

Current frontrunners in the race include two hits from Cannes – the Auschwitz drama Son of Saul (Hungary) and Rams (Iceland) – as well as Chile’s The Club, the Norwegian disaster drama The Wave and the winner of last year’s Venice film festival, A Pigeon Sat on a Branch Reflecting on Existence (Sweden).

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/sep/28/muhammed-the-messenger-of-god-biopic...

Did the movie include the facts mohammed came from the Quarish pagan clan that worshipped the moon god hubal and then after he invented islam he tried to allow the worship of the moon gods 3 daughters Lat, Uzza and Manat . Then when musseys revolted he pretended satan told him that ? (Rushies Satanic Verses Expose)

Myth aside does it tell the story of the Caliph that thought up the Quaran and mohammed and pretended it was all documented 60 years after mohahammeds death Grin

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I bet they went with the fictional version to keep the backward retarded followers happy.

Its a Jolly world, no ?

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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: the meaning of freedom Reply #470 - Dec 12^th, 2015 at 6:34pm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra45nX9JmW4
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49233 At my desk.	Re: the meaning of freedom Reply #471 - Dec 12^th, 2015 at 6:41pm Blurring is a common trick for making people appear more attractive.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96220 Gender:	Re: the meaning of freedom Reply #472 - Dec 12^th, 2015 at 6:54pm freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2015 at 6:41pm: Blurring is a common trick for making people appear more attractive. True, FD. If you don't mind me saying, it makes you and the fish look quite nice.
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abdullah Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 195 Gender:	Re: the meaning of freedom Reply #473 - Dec 12^th, 2015 at 7:00pm freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2015 at 6:41pm: Blurring is a common trick for making people appear more attractive. True FD - like beer goggles for muslims.
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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: the meaning of freedom Reply #474 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 11:03am https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQjL31sdtzo
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