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Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Reply #15 - Sep 10th, 2015 at 6:27pm
 
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Do you have any evidence for these claims?


It's all in Leviticus, the favourite of the Anti Christian brigade, Stratos

The below findings tells us about Canaan depravity and it's religious roots

Incest. Like all Ancient Near East (ANE) pantheons, the Canaanite pantheon was incestuous. Baal has sex with his mother Asherah,6 his sister Anat, and his daughter Pidray,7 and none of this is presented pejoratively.

Although early Canaanite laws proscribed either death or banishment for most forms of incest, after the fourteenth century BC, the penalties were reduced to no more than the payment of a fine.8 In the larger ANE context, it is helpful to consider that in an Egyptian dream book dreams of having sex with your mother or your sister were considered good omens.9

Adultery. Canaanite religion, like that of all of the ANE, was a fertility religion that involved temple sex. Inanna/Ishtar, also known as the Queen of Heaven, “became the woman among the gods, patron of eroticism and sensuality, of conjugal love as well as adultery, of brides and prostitutes, transvestites and pederasts.”10 As University of Helsinki professor Martti Nissinen writes, “Sexual contact with a person whose whole life was devoted to the goddess was tantamount to union with the goddess herself.”11

The Canaanites even remake the God of the Bible, El, after their own image and portray Him ceremonially as having sex with two women (or goddesses). The ceremony ends with directions: “To be repeated five times by the company and the singers of the assembly.”12 About this John Gray comments, “We may well suppose that this activity of El was sacramentally experienced by the community in the sexual orgies of the fertility cult which the Hebrew prophets so vehemently denounced.”13

Child sacrifice. Molech was a Canaanite underworld deity14 represented as an upright, bullheaded idol with a human body in whose belly a fire was stoked and in whose outstretched arms a child was placed that would be burned to death. The victims were not only infants; children as old as four were sacrificed.15 Kleitarchos reported that “as the flame burning the child surrounded the body, the limbs would shrivel up and the mouth would appear to grin as if laughing, until it was shrunk enough to slip into the cauldron.”16

Homosexuality. No ANE text condemns homosexuality. Additionally, some ANE manuscripts talk about “party-boys and festival people who changed their masculinity into femininity to make the people of Ishtar revere her.”17

Let us also remember that the problem with the Canaanite city of Sodom wasn’t just sex among consenting adults: the men of Sodom, both young and old, tried to rape the visitors (Gen. 19:5).

Bestiality. Probably the ultimate sexual depravity is intercourse with animals. Hittite Laws: 199 states, “If anyone has intercourse with a pig or a dog, he shall die. If a man has intercourse with a horse or a mule, there is no punishment.”18 As with incest, the penalty for having sex with animals decreased about the fourteenth century BC.19

There should be no surprise that bestiality would occur among the Canaanites, since their gods practiced it. From the Canaanite epic poem “The Baal Cycle” we learn: “Mightiest Baal hears / He makes love with a heifer in the outback / A cow in the field of Death’s Realm. / He lies with her seventy times seven / Mounts eighty times eight / [She conceiv]es and bears a boy.”20

There were absolutely no prohibitions against bestiality in the rest of the ANE.21 In fact, in an Egyptian dream book it was a bad omen for a woman to dream about embracing her husband, but good things would happen if she dreamed of intercourse with a baboon, wolf, or he-goat.22 In short, their sexual fantasies involved everything that breathes.

Or go here for a description of the Canaanites depravities
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Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Reply #16 - Sep 10th, 2015 at 6:30pm
 
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I don't have a problem with God deciding to destroy his own creation - whenever and wherever He chooses.

What I can't reconcile with is having men do His "dirty work" for him - as was the case with the Biblical canaanites.

Slaughtering babies to "prove" yourself in the eyes of God just doesn't cut it for me.


You must be worried sick when muslims kill innocent men women and children because islam/muhammad/allah tell them to do allah's dirty work as a test


qur'an 9.14:Fight against them so that allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people."

quran47:4 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been allah's will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (himself); but (he lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost
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Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Reply #17 - Sep 10th, 2015 at 6:40pm
 
moses wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 6:27pm:
It's all in Leviticus, the favourite of the Anti Christian brigade, Stratos


Do you really think that best place for info on a culture that got completely wiped out is the group that committed the genocide?

That would be like asking the Third Reich for a history of the Jewish people, or a Turk about the history of the Armenians.

moses wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 6:27pm:
The below findings tells us about Canaan depravity and it's religious roots


Actually discussing the Amalekites here, not the Canaanites.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Reply #18 - Sep 10th, 2015 at 7:06pm
 
moses wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 6:30pm:
Gandalf wrote
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I don't have a problem with God deciding to destroy his own creation - whenever and wherever He chooses.

What I can't reconcile with is having men do His "dirty work" for him - as was the case with the Biblical canaanites.

Slaughtering babies to "prove" yourself in the eyes of God just doesn't cut it for me.


You must be worried sick when muslims kill innocent men women and children because islam/muhammad/allah tell them to do allah's dirty work as a test


qur'an 9.14:Fight against them so that allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people."

quran47:4 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been allah's will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (himself); but (he lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost


Good comparison moses. Now see if you can spot the difference:

9:12 - provides the context for 9:14

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And if they break their oaths after their treaty and defame your religion, then fight the leaders of disbelief


47:4 - clearly referring to a battlefield situation.

compared to...

1 Samuel 15:2-3:

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This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys


Can you see the difference moses?

One orders muslims to fight the leaders of those who break treaties,
The other specifically orders the indiscriminate slaughter of women children and babies
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Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Reply #19 - Sep 10th, 2015 at 10:14pm
 



moses,

Thank you, for your contribution to the posts in this thread.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #20 - Sep 10th, 2015 at 10:41pm
 


On the killing of NON-COMBATANTS.....


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1251160915/0#0
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abu_rashid wrote on Aug 24th, 2009 at 12:56pm:
Grendel said,
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Under Islam becoming a martyr by killing innocents is acceptable under Christianity killing innocents is not.


This simply isn't true. Islam specifically forbids killing of non-combatants. Muhammad (pbuh) clearly forbade it in his sayings.





IS THAT STATEMENT [above] TRUE?

.....
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"The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." "

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith...



Here [above], clearly, Mohammed expressed no care, whatsoever, for the 'welfare', or safety, of non-combatants [women and children, who were non-moslems].




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The Hadith declare,

"During some of the Ghazawat of the Prophet a woman was found killed. Allah's Apostle disapproved the killing of women and children."

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith...

AND,

"During some of the Ghazawat of Allah's Apostle a woman was found killed, so Allah's Apostle forbade the killing of women and children."

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith...

On the face of it, "...Allah's Apostle forbade the killing of women and children."

But those verses do not infer, or reveal,
the motive/reason
, for that 'prohibition'.

I suggest that we should seek out those motives!



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I will suggest that the 'care' Mohammed expressed for the 'welfare' of non-combatants [who were non-moslems], was a 'care' extended for the purpose of, and related specifically to,
their material worth [ALIVE] as booty
.

i.e.
Dead non-moslem, non-combatants [women and children] are, war booty, ....LOST.

A further verse in the Hadith, makes clear the fate of [women and children] 'non-combatants', after the wholesale surrender of a particular community, which Mohammed and his henchmen besieged,

"......Sa'd said, "So I give my judgment that their warriors should be killed and their women and children should be taken as captives." [i.e. war booty] The Prophet said, "You have judged according to the King's (Allah's) judgment." "

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith...

N.B. And this was no community [full] of 'warriors', as is suggested above.

This was a [wealthy] Jewish community of, mostly, metal workers, artisans, and goldsmiths.



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Reply #21 - Sep 10th, 2015 at 11:04pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 4:59pm:
I don't have a problem with God deciding to destroy his own creation - whenever and wherever He chooses.

What I can't reconcile with is having men do His "dirty work" for him - as was the case with the Biblical canaanites.

Slaughtering babies to "prove" yourself in the eyes of God just doesn't cut it for me.





The victims here, were not 'babies'.

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So we must assume that these students, MURDERED BY ISLAMISTS IN PAKISTAN did not qualify as innocents, in the eyes of ISLAM's God.


polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 10:13pm:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-16/taliban-gunmen-attack-military-run-school-...

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At least 126 people have been killed and 122 injured in an attack by Taliban militants on a Pakistani high school.

More than 100 of the dead were school children,


director of information for the chief minister's secretariat Bahramand Khan said, adding that the death toll could rise.

Hundreds of students and teachers were taken hostage in the bloodiest insurgent attack in the country in years.


Simply horrific.




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That was gandalf the secularist speaking.



polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 17th, 2013 at 8:44pm:

Sorry, I must be still missing it. I'll just clarify my position (again), and hopefully it will answer whatever you want answered:
- I support secularism
- I support democracy
- I oppose dictatorships

Opposing dictatorships means all dictatorships - whether they be secular or religious. Saying I support secularism doesn't mean I support secular dictators - Clear?





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HEY!!!!!! ....EVERYONE!


"ISLAM is a peaceful and tolerant faith!",

.....except, when it isn't!



e.g.
"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11



ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06




And respected moslem scholars.

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"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."



ISLAMIC religious scholar, Sayyid Qutb

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Reply #22 - Sep 10th, 2015 at 11:06pm
 
Yadda wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 10:41pm:
I will suggest that the 'care' Mohammed expressed for the 'welfare' of non-combatants [who were non-moslems], was a 'care' extended for the purpose of, and related specifically to, their material worth [ALIVE] as booty.


How is this different to your belief, considering your holy scriptures and the God you worship also clearly has no care for the welfare of non-combatants?


Yadda wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 10:41pm:
"......Sa'd said, "So I give my judgment that their warriors should be killed and their women and children should be taken as captives." [i.e. war booty] The Prophet said, "You have judged according to the King's (Allah's) judgment." "


According to the Old Testament, the Israelites did this too.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
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Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Reply #23 - Sep 10th, 2015 at 11:37pm
 
Stratos wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 11:06pm:
Yadda wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 10:41pm:
I will suggest that the 'care' Mohammed expressed for the 'welfare' of non-combatants [who were non-moslems], was a 'care' extended for the purpose of, and related specifically to, their material worth [ALIVE] as booty.


How is this different to your belief, considering your holy scriptures and the God you worship also clearly has no care for the welfare of non-combatants?



Stratos,

That is correct.

My God says, that he makes no distinction between the unrighteous person who is a non-combatant, and the unrighteous person who is a combatant.

My God is an 'equal opportunity' judge of those that he deems to be unrighteous persons, and to be the children of SATAN.



John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.




Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

Daniel 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

See!!!!

My God is an 'equal opportunity' judge of those that he deems to be unrighteous persons.

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Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

When he includes 'the fearful' in Revelation 21:7, Jesus is talking about those who are moral COWARDS.

Those who refuse to defend truth and righteousness,     ....but especially, those who refuse to defend truth.


Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

John 18:37
.....Jesus answered,.....To this end was I born, and
for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth
. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.





Stratos wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 11:06pm:
Yadda wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 10:41pm:
"......Sa'd said, "So I give my judgment that their warriors should be killed and their women and children should be taken as captives." [i.e. war booty] The Prophet said, "You have judged according to the King's (Allah's) judgment." "


According to the Old Testament, the Israelites did this too.




Stratos,

That is correct.

Sort of.

And sort of,      .....not.


Deuteronomy 21:10
When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive,
11  And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;

12  Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;
13  And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.
14  And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her.




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Reply #24 - Sep 11th, 2015 at 3:03pm
 
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Do you really think that best place for info on a culture that got completely wiped out is the group that committed the genocide?

That would be like asking the Third Reich for a history of the Jewish people, or a Turk about the history of the Armenians.


Well it appears that people are quiet prepared to accept as fact the Biblical narrative that Y.H.W.H. told the Jews to slaughter all animals and humans. Why would the rest of the chronicle not be recognised as a given?

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Actually discussing the Amalekites here, not the Canaanites.


Oh I don't know about that I can see Canaanites every where

Incest. Like all Ancient Near East (ANE) pantheons, the Canaanite pantheon was incestuous. Baal has sex with his mother Asherah,6 his sister Anat, and his daughter Pidray,7 and none of this is presented pejoratively.

Although early Canaanite laws proscribed either death or banishment for most forms of incest, after the fourteenth century BC, the penalties were reduced to no more than the payment of a fine.8 In the larger ANE context, it is helpful to consider that in an Egyptian dream book dreams of having sex with your mother or your sister were considered good omens.9

Adultery. Canaanite religion, like that of all of the ANE, was a fertility religion that involved temple sex. Inanna/Ishtar, also known as the Queen of Heaven, “became the woman among the gods, patron of eroticism and sensuality, of conjugal love as well as adultery, of brides and prostitutes, transvestites and pederasts.”10 As University of Helsinki professor Martti Nissinen writes, “Sexual contact with a person whose whole life was devoted to the goddess was tantamount to union with the goddess herself.”11

The Canaanites even remake the God of the Bible, El, after their own image and portray Him ceremonially as having sex with two women (or goddesses). The ceremony ends with directions: “To be repeated five times by the company and the singers of the assembly.”12 About this John Gray comments, “We may well suppose that this activity of El was sacramentally experienced by the community in the sexual orgies of the fertility cult which the Hebrew prophets so vehemently denounced.”13

Child sacrifice. Molech was a Canaanite underworld deity14 represented as an upright, bullheaded idol with a human body in whose belly a fire was stoked and in whose outstretched arms a child was placed that would be burned to death. The victims were not only infants; children as old as four were sacrificed.15 Kleitarchos reported that “as the flame burning the child surrounded the body, the limbs would shrivel up and the mouth would appear to grin as if laughing, until it was shrunk enough to slip into the cauldron.”16

Homosexuality. No ANE text condemns homosexuality. Additionally, some ANE manuscripts talk about “party-boys and festival people who changed their masculinity into femininity to make the people of Ishtar revere her.”17

Let us also remember that the problem with the Canaanite city of Sodom wasn’t just sex among consenting adults: the men of Sodom, both young and old, tried to rape the visitors (Gen. 19:5).

Bestiality. Probably the ultimate sexual depravity is intercourse with animals. Hittite Laws: 199 states, “If anyone has intercourse with a pig or a dog, he shall die. If a man has intercourse with a horse or a mule, there is no punishment.”18 As with incest, the penalty for having sex with animals decreased about the fourteenth century BC.19

There should be no surprise that bestiality would occur among the Canaanites, since their gods practiced it. From the [highlight]Canaanite epic poem “The Baal Cycle” we learn: “Mightiest Baal hears / He makes love with a heifer in the outback / A cow in the field of Death’s Realm. / He lies with her seventy times seven / Mounts eighty times eight / [She conceiv]es and bears a boy.”20

There were absolutely no prohibitions against bestiality in the rest of the ANE.21 In fact, in an Egyptian dream book it was a bad omen for a woman to dream about embracing her husband, but good things would happen if she dreamed of intercourse with a baboon, wolf, or he-goat.22 In short, their sexual fantasies involved everything that breathes.
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Can you see the difference moses?

One orders muslims to fight the leaders of those who break treaties,
The other specifically orders the indiscriminate slaughter of women children and babies


I can't see any difference at all

Your first answer was:

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I don't have a problem with God deciding to destroy his own creation - whenever and wherever He chooses.

What I can't reconcile with is having men do His "dirty work" for him - as was the case with the Biblical canaanites.

Slaughtering babies to "prove" yourself in the eyes of God just doesn't cut it for me.


I reminded you that allah specifically told muslims that he could kill them if he wanted to, but he preferred that muslims deliver allahs' punishment as a test for the muslims.

You're trying to tell me that in the sacred bloodbaths that followed no women and kids got killed?

I don't believe that for a second Gandalf

I would also remind you of the poetess Asma bint Marwan:


March 624: Asma bint Marwan

Asma was a poetess who belonged to a tribe of Medinan pagans, and whose husband was named Yazid b. Zayd. She composed a poem blaming the Medinan pagans for obeying a stranger (Muhammad) and for not taking the initiative to attack him by surprise.When the apostle heard what she had said, he said, "Who will rid me of Marwan’s daughter?"`Umayr b. `Adiy al-Khatmi who was with him heard him, and that very night he went to her house and killed her.She had five children, and the youngest was suckling at her breast. The assassin removed the child, drew his sword, and plunged it into her, killing her in her sleep.

In the morning he came to the apostle and told him what he had done and he [muhammad] said, "You have helped allah and His apostle, O `Umayr!" When he asked if he would have to bear any evil consequences the apostle said, "Two goats won't butt their heads about her", so `Umayr went back to his people.

Source: Ibn Ishaq and Ibn Hisham hadi'th

So murdering a  mother of five small children one of which was a suckling infant, well according to muhammad two goats wouldn't butt their heads about her.

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Reply #26 - Sep 11th, 2015 at 3:14pm
 
moses wrote on Sep 11th, 2015 at 3:03pm:
Well it appears that people are quiet prepared to accept as fact the Biblical narrative that Y.H.W.H. told the Jews to slaughter all animals and humans. Why would the rest of the chronicle not be recognised as a given?


I don't accept it as truth, as far as I know there is no evidence for it.  What matters to me is there are people who believe it to have been a good thing that their God condoned and encouraged.moses wrote on Sep 11th, 2015 at 3:03pm:
Oh I don't know about that I can see Canaanites every where


The original passage being discussed was this one:

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Samuel also said unto Saul, The Lord sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the Lord.

2 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.

3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.


That's the KJV.  Just for future linking purposes, which translation do you prefer?
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I have to admit I jumped the gun, I thought everyone was talking about the slaughter of the Canaanites.
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Reply #28 - Sep 11th, 2015 at 4:15pm
 
moses wrote on Sep 11th, 2015 at 3:05pm:
I can't see any difference at all


It is a bit subtle I admit, so I'll spell it out for you as simply as I can:

Quran: kill only the leaders of those who wage war against muslims
Bible: specifically kill children and infants of those who transgress
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Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Reply #29 - Sep 12th, 2015 at 2:00pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 11th, 2015 at 4:15pm:
moses wrote on Sep 11th, 2015 at 3:05pm:
I can't see any difference at all


It is a bit subtle I admit, so I'll spell it out for you as simply as I can:

Quran: kill only the leaders of those who wage war against muslims
Bible: specifically kill children and infants of those who transgress


Yes, but Moses read that bit, G. He’s obviously saying we should kill the women and children because he’s a Christian, and as we all know, Jesus said he did not come to change the law.

The reason he wants to kill Muslims is they don’t agree with his interpretation of the Trinity. As a Christian, he is obligated to obey the demands of his holy book and kill the enemies of Christianity. He must kill Muslims, as Christians have done since 900 AD.

And yes, his book orders him to kill women and children too. Kill them all and let Gud sort them out. This is the religion Moses has committed to following; a religion that clearly preaches terrorism.

Nion-Christians and Gentiles are not safe in this country when a toxic, hateful book like the Old Testament still contains such Gud-given commands.

Moses can either renounce his beliefs and his evil version of Gud or go back to the Sinai desert. He’s not safe in our community. More importantly, based on his holy book, we’re not safe from him.
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