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Yeah sure We all know that the muslims are absolutely so honourable that when they razed a town in combat, they tiptoed around, not once would any women and infant children have been a victim.

I mean just look at muslims today after 1400 years of their saintly islamic ways, there is not one woman or infant suffering or murdered by a muslim, is there? It's always just adult males.

I mean this seraphic behaviour of muslims goes way back to muhammad:



In Sahih al-Bukhari:
Volume 1, Book 11, Number 626:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr [pre-dawn] and the 'Isha' [evening] prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers at their respective times, they would certainly present themselves (in the mosques) even if they had to crawl." The Prophet added, "Certainly I decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce Iqama [second call to prayer] and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their houses."


March 624: Asma bint Marwan

Asma was a poetess who belonged to a tribe of Medinan pagans, and whose husband was named Yazid b. Zayd. She composed a poem blaming the Medinan pagans for obeying a stranger (Muhammad) and for not taking the initiative to attack him by surprise.When the apostle heard what she had said, he said, "Who will rid me of Marwan’s daughter?"`Umayr b. `Adiy al-Khatmi who was with him heard him, and that very night he went to her house and killed her.She had five children, and the youngest was suckling at her breast. The assassin removed the child, drew his sword, and plunged it into her, killing her in her sleep.

In the morning he came to the apostle and told him what he had done and he [muhammad] said, "You have helped allah and His apostle, O `Umayr!" When he asked if he would have to bear any evil consequences the apostle said, "Two goats won't butt their heads about her", so `Umayr went back to his people.

Source: Ibn Ishaq and Ibn Hisham hadi'th

So in all the burning alive of whole families in their houses, murdering women with small children one a suckling infant, slaughtering masses of people in order to do allah's work for him as an islamic test, not one infant gets caught up in the islamic torture and slaughter?

I believe that just as much as I believe: it's got nuffin to do wiv islam.

Oh gee Karnal I upset you showing how today's 2015 muslims are still killing infants (because of their beliefs), just as muhammad did.

Unlike the Jews of today, a civilized people, relinquishing the deeds of the the Jews of 3500 - 4000 years ago.

You mean like muhammad burning whole families to death in their own homes?

Or murdering a mother of five children, the youngest of which was still a suckling infant?

Or ordering all people be killed untill all religion is for the demonic allah?

Or the Armenian genocide?

There has been countless thousands of infants killed by muslims all due to their beliefs.

As for war, I know and I thought we all knew:

Since the dawn of time, there always has been women, underage men, children and infants killed as part of war.


But don't try and tell me that islam has a higher code of ethics than anybody else when it comes to the innocent dying under the sword of conflict.

muslims have done it from day one, they are still doing it right now 12/9/2015.

What happened 3,500 years ago by one group (Jews) is certainly no template for the way they conduct themselves today, they are eons ahead of muslims in the civilization stakes.

moses wrote on Sep 12^th, 2015 at 3:49pm:


Of course. Just like Moses, Moses. And just like the Australian Air Force.

This is your argument, not mine. If you're going to blame a religion for its ancient wars, you have to blame your own. And if you're going to blame a people for its current wars, you have to blame your own too.

There is no way out of your dillema. If there was, I'd be agreeing with you. I'd have to.

It is a jolly world, no?

Yadda wrote on Sep 13^th, 2015 at 12:13am:


I am sure you'll be able to tell me how you got there, Yadda.   

John 11:35

Karnal wrote:

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There is no doubt that the ancient people of the O.T. fought for religious and patriotic reasons.

As for the Aust defence forces you're wrong there. They do not fight as a spiritual requirement, they are retaliating against atrocities committed by muslims as part of their religion.

Today 2015 muslims are murdering as an islamic requirement, I blame muslims for this, muslims are indiscriminately slaughtering male and female, from the suckling infants, unborn babies through to  the elderly.

SO to summarise I whole heartedly blame muslims and islam.

I completely exonerate our defence personnel

moses wrote on Sep 13^th, 2015 at 6:22pm:


No, Moses, the invasion of Iraq killed millions of Iraqis - babies set fire in their homes as you yourself put it. We were not fighting Muslims or retaliating against attrocities, we invaded a state and deposed a secular regime.

I know you blame Muslims and Islam. My point is your logic doesn’t sustain your blame. You can rail away for years, but if there’s no point to it, it’s futile.

I don’t like bigots very much, but I hardly have cause to kill them or try to have them banned. If you don’t like Muslims because of their bloodthirsty books, you must hate Jews even more. And if you hate those who kill innocents, you must hate those who invade nations and engage in a bit of the old collateral damage.

If you don’t hold to your own professed logic, you have no reason to rail against Muslims at all - just irrational fear , hate and religious tribalism. Always, absolutely, never ever.

It is a jolly world, no?

moses wrote on Sep 13^th, 2015 at 6:22pm:


Why am I not surprised by that, Moses?