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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136426 Gender:	Guns Sep 10^th, 2015 at 10:53am "Woman dead after being shot in head at Gold Coast McDonald's, gunman taken to hospital" http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/two-people-shot-in-mcdonalds-helensvale-go...
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136426 Gender:	Re: Guns Reply #1 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:18am The man allegedly shot the woman in the head and she died at the scene. Her body remains inside the fast-food restaurant. He is then believed to have shot himself and has been taken to Gold Coast University Hospital in a serious condition. http://www.news.com.au/national/two-people-shot-at-helensvale-mcdonalds/story-e6...
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 83792 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Guns Reply #2 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:19am I read that one... the war between men and women gets worse every day.... soon they'll be machine-gunning one another and dropping napalm..
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Reply #3 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:51am

I found yesterdays incident more disturbing ... also on the Gold Coast

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/ex-bandido-lionel-patea-to-face-murder-aft...

forced her off the road , then while she was trapped in her car, he beat her across the head with a metal plate and killed her ...

such a pretty girl too.

tell me again why we shouldn't have the death penalty?

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Johnsmith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4716 Gender:	Re: Guns Reply #4 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:52am ohh, and Greg, you'll see there is no gun involved.
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Reply #5 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:04pm

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

I found yesterdays incident more disturbing ... also on the Gold Coast

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/ex-bandido-lionel-patea-to-face-murder-aft...

forced her off the road , then while she was trapped in her car, he beat her across the head with a metal plate and killed her ...

such a pretty girl too.

tell me again why we shouldn't have the death penalty?

Because it simply does not work in reducing crime especially murder.

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Reply #6 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:05pm

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

I found yesterdays incident more disturbing ... also on the Gold Coast

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/ex-bandido-lionel-patea-to-face-murder-aft...

forced her off the road , then while she was trapped in her car, he beat her across the head with a metal plate and killed her ...

such a pretty girl too.

tell me again why we shouldn't have the death penalty?

Because we're better than that.

There's no place in civilised society for the state-sanctioned premeditated killing of prisoners.

That would just lower ourselves to their level.

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Reply #7 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:31pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

I found yesterdays incident more disturbing ... also on the Gold Coast

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/ex-bandido-lionel-patea-to-face-murder-aft...

forced her off the road , then while she was trapped in her car, he beat her across the head with a metal plate and killed her ...

such a pretty girl too.

tell me again why we shouldn't have the death penalty?

Because it simply does not work in reducing crime especially murder.

but it does reduce the chances of the same person murdering again

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Johnsmith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4716 Gender:	Re: Guns Reply #8 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:33pm greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:05pm: Because we're better than that. that's sanctimonious feel good crap ... I don't need to abolish the death penalty to know that I'm better than that murdering scum.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136426 Gender:	Re: Guns Reply #9 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:37pm Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:33pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:05pm: Because we're better than that. that's sanctimonious feel good crap ... No, it's a civilised, rational response.
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Reply #10 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:40pm

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

I found yesterdays incident more disturbing ... also on the Gold Coast

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/ex-bandido-lionel-patea-to-face-murder-aft...

forced her off the road , then while she was trapped in her car, he beat her across the head with a metal plate and killed her ...

such a pretty girl too.

tell me again why we shouldn't have the death penalty?

Because it simply does not work in reducing crime especially murder.

but it does reduce the chances of the same person murdering again

Nobody has ever disputed that fact, ever.

So, I'm not sure why people feel the need to keep bringing it up - you're just arguing with yourself.

Yes: a dead criminal can no longer commit crimes.

And, being imprisoned also reduces the chances of the same person murdering again.

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Reply #11 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:40pm

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

I found yesterdays incident more disturbing ... also on the Gold Coast

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/ex-bandido-lionel-patea-to-face-murder-aft...

forced her off the road , then while she was trapped in her car, he beat her across the head with a metal plate and killed her ...

such a pretty girl too.

tell me again why we shouldn't have the death penalty?

Because it simply does not work in reducing crime especially murder.

but it does reduce the chances of the same person murdering again

It has a good chance of executing the innocent as well. That's a bit of a problem, don't you think? Life without parole has the same effect.

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Reply #12 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:41pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

I found yesterdays incident more disturbing ... also on the Gold Coast

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/ex-bandido-lionel-patea-to-face-murder-aft...

forced her off the road , then while she was trapped in her car, he beat her across the head with a metal plate and killed her ...

such a pretty girl too.

tell me again why we shouldn't have the death penalty?

Because it simply does not work in reducing crime especially murder.

but it does reduce the chances of the same person murdering again

It has a good chance of executing the innocent as well. That's a bit of a problem, don't you think? Life without parole has the same effect.

No, not if it is done properly. I don't call for the death penalty for every case ... just those where there is ZERO doubt.

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Reply #13 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:42pm

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

I found yesterdays incident more disturbing ... also on the Gold Coast

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/ex-bandido-lionel-patea-to-face-murder-aft...

forced her off the road , then while she was trapped in her car, he beat her across the head with a metal plate and killed her ...

such a pretty girl too.

tell me again why we shouldn't have the death penalty?

This one looks like an open and shut case - he should get life without.... probably drug user again... WTS do people do that kind of stuff for?

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Reply #14 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:46pm

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:41pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

I found yesterdays incident more disturbing ... also on the Gold Coast

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/ex-bandido-lionel-patea-to-face-murder-aft...

forced her off the road , then while she was trapped in her car, he beat her across the head with a metal plate and killed her ...

such a pretty girl too.

tell me again why we shouldn't have the death penalty?

Because it simply does not work in reducing crime especially murder.

but it does reduce the chances of the same person murdering again

It has a good chance of executing the innocent as well. That's a bit of a problem, don't you think? Life without parole has the same effect.

No, not if it is done properly. I don't call for the death penalty for every case ... just those where there is ZERO doubt.

No such thing as 'zero doubt'. In fact, the idea of executing people when there is no doubt has still turned up spectacular failures of executing the innocent. For instance, you dont know if a person is guilty or not, only what you are told and you have to assume that no one lies or is incompetent or simply mistaken.

Zero doubt is impossible.

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