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Reply #120 - Sep 11^th, 2015 at 6:43pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 6:22pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 5:00pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 4:42pm:

And you are all idiots...Guns do NOT cause any problems....the people who 'own' guns may cause issues...but that has NOTHING to do with the actual gun itself...

Technically true, but it is also true that the presence and existence of a gun makes violent death more likely.
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Actually..YES, the 'gun' IS 'innocent' in the whole gun/death idea..It really is the 'concept' that 'guns don't kill people'... a gun is simply a tool...a gun has zero morality, a gun cannot actually commit ANY 'crime' or any violent act..

That is naive. The gun isnt a tool. It is a weapon with only one purpose: to kill people. Surprisingly, that is what they do with it. A man's fists has zero morality either if he punches someone. The blame lies in his brain, right?

Why don't we allow people to own rocket launchers? Why do we try and stop nation-states from having nuclear weapons? Are they not also just tools?

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Reply #121 - Sep 11^th, 2015 at 6:55pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 6:35pm:

And we are back in Redneck Wonderland.

If a lunatic goes into a school to kill kids what is the difference if he is armed with a brick or a gun? Since I can't trust you with coming up with the answer on your own I will provide it. With the gun we are talking perhaps as many as 50. With a brick, probably one, maybe two, possibly none.

Intent is the same - murderous rage. That we cannot easily stop. But we can stop them having weapons to increase the body count.

The rednecks are not the probem, the black firearm homicide is 7 times higher than white people, blacks are 13% of he population and account for over 50% of all homcides.
Gangsta rap is a bigger problem than rednecks.

Schools have been gun free zones since the 1980's,all the mass shooting tend to happen in gun free zones they never happen at NRA conventions or gun shows where people walk around armed.

The worst mass murderers in NSW,QLD and VIC lit fires to kill their innocent victims, they have a higher bodycounts than our second worst mass shooting.

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Reply #122 - Sep 11^th, 2015 at 6:55pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 4:59pm:

[quote author=gizmo_2655 link=1441846404/108#108 date=1441953731]And you are all idiots...Guns do NOT cause any problems....the people who 'own' guns may cause issues...but that has NOTHING to do with the actual gun itself...

By that argument, there is nothing wrong with ice. People taking ice on the other hand may be a problem but the ice itself is inanimate.[/quote]

Yes, that is 'almost' correct. The drug 'ice' is not a problem..the use of Ice is a problem..And 'guns; aren't a problem...misusing guns is, however a however a problem..As with any thing else, the use of guns/knives etc IS something to worry about.

That is still chronically naive. If everybody were perfectly able to control impulses or were never likely to misuse something then you would be correct, but that obviously is not the world we live in. Ice and Guns alike give people to power to cause a great deal of harm. Yes, they are responsible, but that is not much of a comfort to the lives destroyed by that failure to control impulse or criminal intent. Given that just about everybody is capable of great evil in the right circumstances, why would we empower them to create more destruction?

I am not anti-gun. I am anti-ignorance and people saying they want guns for no purpose, remember that guns have only ONE purpose - to kill.

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Reply #123 - Sep 11^th, 2015 at 7:00pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 6:27pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 5:59pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 5:00pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 4:42pm:

And you are all idiots...Guns do NOT cause any problems....the people who 'own' guns may cause issues...but that has NOTHING to do with the actual gun itself...

Technically true, but it is also true that the presence and existence of a gun makes violent death more likely. The gun is not an innocent factor is all of this.

It is the presence of a violent lunatic that is the problem, not the gun.

Of the two women killed by violent lunatics this week, one was with a gun and the other was with a brick, the only consistency was the violent POS.

And in at least one case the woman was turned away by police who couldn't be f...ked helping her.

Guns are nothing more than a bullsh1t excuse by a cowardly little fascist peice of sh1t john howard to use as a distraction.

He had an AVO in force against him which means he did not have a licence for his unregistered pistol.
Like Bryant this guy did not have a firearm licence.
The law failed to protect this woman with an AVO along with gun laws.

Guns were not the only thing taken from people,mace,pepper srays and stun guns are illegal.

Our laws have disarmed the weaker members of society from having lethal or non lethal self defence weapons.

A woman was slashed with a machete,another was run off the road and bashed to death, we had a shooting with an unlicensed person with an unregistered gun.

There are seriously disturbed people who prey on women, this is not something new it has been happening throughout human history, the government taking self defence weapons from women was despicable

What makes you think these weapons (your words) cannot be used offensively? If they can be used offensively then they are just weapons. Why do you think body armour is banned? Surely that is the ultimate defensive protection? Answer: because it can allow criminals to be better protected from law enforcement.

The issue is not one of guns or pepper spray but of violence itself. More weapons is never a solution to... weapons. It only starts an escalation.

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Reply #124 - Sep 11^th, 2015 at 7:03pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 6:55pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

[quote author=mothra link=1441846404/110#110 date=1441954793][quote author=gizmo_2655 link=1441846404/108#108 date=1441953731]And you are all idiots...Guns do NOT cause any problems....the people who 'own' guns may cause issues...but that has NOTHING to do with the actual gun itself...

By that argument, there is nothing wrong with ice. People taking ice on the other hand may be a problem but the ice itself is inanimate.[/quote]

Yes, that is 'almost' correct. The drug 'ice' is not a problem..the use of Ice is a problem..And 'guns; aren't a problem...misusing guns is, however a however a problem..As with any thing else, the use of guns/knives etc IS something to worry about.

That is still chronically naive. If everybody were perfectly able to control impulses or were never likely to misuse something then you would be correct, but that obviously is not the world we live in. Ice and Guns alike give people to power to cause a great deal of harm. Yes, they are responsible, but that is not much of a comfort to the lives destroyed by that failure to control impulse or criminal intent. Given that just about everybody is capable of great evil in the right circumstances, why would we empower them to create more destruction?

I am not anti-gun. I am anti-ignorance and people saying they want guns for no purpose, remember that guns have only ONE purpose - to kill.[/quote]

The 'argument' is NOT, in any way 'naive'. A gun is simply a tool...it (a gun) has NO moral position...IF the gun user wants to shoot people, then the 'gun' shoots people..if the gun user does NOT shot people, then the gun doesn't shot any person...
Guns are in fact, neutral...they only do what the user decides to do....

And yes, you do actually seem to be 'anti-gun'. Guns have many purposes...One of which is to kill...and one of the reasons to 'kill' is for food..Killing a meat animal is an acceptable use of a firearm...

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Reply #125 - Sep 11^th, 2015 at 7:04pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 6:55pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 6:35pm:

And we are back in Redneck Wonderland.

If a lunatic goes into a school to kill kids what is the difference if he is armed with a brick or a gun? Since I can't trust you with coming up with the answer on your own I will provide it. With the gun we are talking perhaps as many as 50. With a brick, probably one, maybe two, possibly none.

Intent is the same - murderous rage. That we cannot easily stop. But we can stop them having weapons to increase the body count.

The rednecks are not the probem, the black firearm homicide is 7 times higher than white people, blacks are 13% of he population and account for over 50% of all homcides.
Gangsta rap is a bigger problem than rednecks.

Schools have been gun free zones since the 1980's,all the mass shooting tend to happen in gun free zones they never happen at NRA conventions or gun shows where people walk around armed.

The worst mass murderers in NSW,QLD and VIC lit fires to kill their innocent victims, they have a higher bodycounts than our second worst mass shooting.

That is supremely illogical. Mass shootings in schools do not occur because schools are gun-free zones. They occur because everywhere else IS a gun zone. This whole debate occurs because a woman was shot. There are many cities in the USA (gun central) where a single night without a gun death is considered a rarity and in some has not happened in decades.

The oddest thing is the notion that somehow, gun deaths are not related to guns, a bit like how car deaths are not in any way related to cars.

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Reply #126 - Sep 11^th, 2015 at 7:10pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 7:03pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 6:55pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 4:59pm:

[quote author=gizmo_2655 link=1441846404/108#108 date=1441953731]And you are all idiots...Guns do NOT cause any problems....the people who 'own' guns may cause issues...but that has NOTHING to do with the actual gun itself...

By that argument, there is nothing wrong with ice. People taking ice on the other hand may be a problem but the ice itself is inanimate.[/quote]

Yes, that is 'almost' correct. The drug 'ice' is not a problem..the use of Ice is a problem..And 'guns; aren't a problem...misusing guns is, however a however a problem..As with any thing else, the use of guns/knives etc IS something to worry about.

That is still chronically naive. If everybody were perfectly able to control impulses or were never likely to misuse something then you would be correct, but that obviously is not the world we live in. Ice and Guns alike give people to power to cause a great deal of harm. Yes, they are responsible, but that is not much of a comfort to the lives destroyed by that failure to control impulse or criminal intent. Given that just about everybody is capable of great evil in the right circumstances, why would we empower them to create more destruction?

I am not anti-gun. I am anti-ignorance and people saying they want guns for no purpose, remember that guns have only ONE purpose - to kill.

The 'argument' is NOT, in any way 'naive'. A gun is simply a tool...it (a gun) has NO moral position...IF the gun user wants to shoot people, then the 'gun' shoots people..if the gun user does NOT shot people, then the gun doesn't shot any person...
Guns are in fact, neutral...they only do what the user decides to do....

That is surpremely silly. A gun has only one purpose: to kill. It is not a spade or a screwdriver with multi purposes. It has only one purpose: to kill. It has no intrinsic value as protection as that is predicated on the persons willingness to shoot (ie kill). So if you have a gun you have it for the purpose of killing even if that is not your intent. So why is it surprising that people get killed by guns?

Let's extend the argument since you appear to be one of the few able to debate a contentious subject with any decorum... I want a nuclear bomb. Assuming I can afford it, why can I not have it? It is only a tool and I can be trusted to use it responsibly.

So why cant I but a nuke and put it in my house and naturally, carry the triggering device with me at all times... just for protection.

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Reply #127 - Sep 11^th, 2015 at 7:12pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 7:03pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 6:55pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

[quote author=mothra link=1441846404/110#110 date=1441954793][quote author=gizmo_2655 link=1441846404/108#108 date=1441953731]And you are all idiots...Guns do NOT cause any problems....the people who 'own' guns may cause issues...but that has NOTHING to do with the actual gun itself...

By that argument, there is nothing wrong with ice. People taking ice on the other hand may be a problem but the ice itself is inanimate.[/quote]

Yes, that is 'almost' correct. The drug 'ice' is not a problem..the use of Ice is a problem..And 'guns; aren't a problem...misusing guns is, however a however a problem..As with any thing else, the use of guns/knives etc IS something to worry about.

That is still chronically naive. If everybody were perfectly able to control impulses or were never likely to misuse something then you would be correct, but that obviously is not the world we live in. Ice and Guns alike give people to power to cause a great deal of harm. Yes, they are responsible, but that is not much of a comfort to the lives destroyed by that failure to control impulse or criminal intent. Given that just about everybody is capable of great evil in the right circumstances, why would we empower them to create more destruction?

I am not anti-gun. I am anti-ignorance and people saying they want guns for no purpose, remember that guns have only ONE purpose - to kill.[/quote]

The 'argument' is NOT, in any way 'naive'. A gun is simply a tool...it (a gun) has NO moral position...IF the gun user wants to shoot people, then the 'gun' shoots people..if the gun user does NOT shot people, then the gun doesn't shot any person...
Guns are in fact, neutral...they only do what the user decides to do....

And yes, you do actually seem to be 'anti-gun'. Guns have many purposes...One of which is to kill...and one of the reasons to 'kill' is for food..Killing a meat animal is an acceptable use of a firearm...

Please be serious. We all know guns can be used for killing animals. How many american suburban families hunt animals for food? We are talking about urban people owning guns for the express purpose of killing other urban people while hoping they dont have to, but having one because everyone else has one.

And you are wrong: guns have only one purpose. To kill.

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Reply #128 - Sep 11^th, 2015 at 7:17pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 7:00pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 6:27pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 5:59pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 5:00pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 4:42pm:

And you are all idiots...Guns do NOT cause any problems....the people who 'own' guns may cause issues...but that has NOTHING to do with the actual gun itself...

Technically true, but it is also true that the presence and existence of a gun makes violent death more likely. The gun is not an innocent factor is all of this.

It is the presence of a violent lunatic that is the problem, not the gun.

Of the two women killed by violent lunatics this week, one was with a gun and the other was with a brick, the only consistency was the violent POS.

And in at least one case the woman was turned away by police who couldn't be f...ked helping her.

Guns are nothing more than a bullsh1t excuse by a cowardly little fascist peice of sh1t john howard to use as a distraction.

He had an AVO in force against him which means he did not have a licence for his unregistered pistol.
Like Bryant this guy did not have a firearm licence.
The law failed to protect this woman with an AVO along with gun laws.

Guns were not the only thing taken from people,mace,pepper srays and stun guns are illegal.

Our laws have disarmed the weaker members of society from having lethal or non lethal self defence weapons.

A woman was slashed with a machete,another was run off the road and bashed to death, we had a shooting with an unlicensed person with an unregistered gun.

There are seriously disturbed people who prey on women, this is not something new it has been happening throughout human history, the government taking self defence weapons from women was despicable

What makes you think these weapons (your words) cannot be used offensively? If they can be used offensively then they are just weapons. Why do you think body armour is banned? Surely that is the ultimate defensive protection? Answer: because it can allow criminals to be better protected from law enforcement.

The issue is not one of guns or pepper spray but of violence itself. More weapons is never a solution to... weapons. It only starts an escalation.

If you have been reading the news crims have used machetes,lumps of steel after running people off the road and illegal guns.
If a crim has a machete or gun do you think they will bother carrying mace,pepper sprays or stun guns.

Body armour is a bit of a strawman,nobody is asking for body armour to be legalised yet nothing stops the idiocy from hoplophobes like you.

Body armour doesn't work against most hunting rifles, if you look at the specs it stops .22's ,shotguns and most pistols,it does not stop low powered centrefire rifles let alone high powered ones.

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Reply #129 - Sep 11^th, 2015 at 7:21pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 7:12pm:

And you are wrong: guns have only one purpose. To kill.

They make rubber bullets which don't kill, they have tranquilizer guns that don't kill, nobody had died from a paintball or bb gun.

A few high profile crims like Fahdi Ibrahim and Zervas were shot more than 6 times and lived, guns only kill when they hit something vital.

A friend asked me what category a Net Gun would be in Australia, single shot powered by C02, I reckon Category A with air rifles which have never killed anyone.

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Reply #130 - Sep 11^th, 2015 at 7:27pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 7:00pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 6:27pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 5:59pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 5:00pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 4:42pm:

And you are all idiots...Guns do NOT cause any problems....the people who 'own' guns may cause issues...but that has NOTHING to do with the actual gun itself...

Technically true, but it is also true that the presence and existence of a gun makes violent death more likely. The gun is not an innocent factor is all of this.

It is the presence of a violent lunatic that is the problem, not the gun.

Of the two women killed by violent lunatics this week, one was with a gun and the other was with a brick, the only consistency was the violent POS.

And in at least one case the woman was turned away by police who couldn't be f...ked helping her.

Guns are nothing more than a bullsh1t excuse by a cowardly little fascist peice of sh1t john howard to use as a distraction.

He had an AVO in force against him which means he did not have a licence for his unregistered pistol.
Like Bryant this guy did not have a firearm licence.
The law failed to protect this woman with an AVO along with gun laws.

Guns were not the only thing taken from people,mace,pepper srays and stun guns are illegal.

Our laws have disarmed the weaker members of society from having lethal or non lethal self defence weapons.

A woman was slashed with a machete,another was run off the road and bashed to death, we had a shooting with an unlicensed person with an unregistered gun.

There are seriously disturbed people who prey on women, this is not something new it has been happening throughout human history, the government taking self defence weapons from women was despicable

What makes you think these weapons (your words) cannot be used offensively? If they can be used offensively then they are just weapons. Why do you think body armour is banned? Surely that is the ultimate defensive protection? Answer: because it can allow criminals to be better protected from law enforcement.

The issue is not one of guns or pepper spray but of violence itself. More weapons is never a solution to... weapons. It only starts an escalation.

If you have been reading the news crims have used machetes,lumps of steel after running people off the road and illegal guns.
If a crim has a machete or gun do you think they will bother carrying mace,pepper sprays or stun guns.

Body armour is a bit of a strawman,nobody is asking for body armour to be legalised yet nothing stops the idiocy from hoplophobes like you.

Body armour doesn't work against most hunting rifles, if you look at the specs it stops .22's ,shotguns and most pistols,it does not stop low powered centrefire rifles let alone high powered ones.

VERY few criminals ever employ a machete or gun. But if you legalised mace, pepper spray or stun guns, most of them would. And why not? It is legal and gives them an advantage! And so then the public goes to get mace and stun guns to equalise against the criminals. And what happens then? An altercation at coles between two crazy shoppers (and some are truly crazy!) escalates into using the mace and stun guns that both are carrying to protect them from the criminals who now always carry them as well. So the criminals now realise they need to carry guns to protect themselves from those with mace etc whereas before they didnt have any weapons at all. And so naturally the crazy shoppers get guns and instead of a push and shove in the specials aisle, you have two dead shoppers and a few unlucky spectators.

Meanwhile the NRA or its like tells everyone how weapons are not the problem.

If guns are not the problem, then why are people not allowed to carry military grade large caliber weaponry around with them?

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Reply #131 - Sep 11^th, 2015 at 7:28pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 7:04pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 6:55pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 6:35pm:

And we are back in Redneck Wonderland.

If a lunatic goes into a school to kill kids what is the difference if he is armed with a brick or a gun? Since I can't trust you with coming up with the answer on your own I will provide it. With the gun we are talking perhaps as many as 50. With a brick, probably one, maybe two, possibly none.

Intent is the same - murderous rage. That we cannot easily stop. But we can stop them having weapons to increase the body count.

The rednecks are not the probem, the black firearm homicide is 7 times higher than white people, blacks are 13% of he population and account for over 50% of all homcides.
Gangsta rap is a bigger problem than rednecks.

Schools have been gun free zones since the 1980's,all the mass shooting tend to happen in gun free zones they never happen at NRA conventions or gun shows where people walk around armed.

The worst mass murderers in NSW,QLD and VIC lit fires to kill their innocent victims, they have a higher bodycounts than our second worst mass shooting.

That is supremely illogical. Mass shootings in schools do not occur because schools are gun-free zones. They occur because everywhere else IS a gun zone. This whole debate occurs because a woman was shot. There are many cities in the USA (gun central) where a single night without a gun death is considered a rarity and in some has not happened in decades.

The oddest thing is the notion that somehow, gun deaths are not related to guns, a bit like how car deaths are not in any way related to cars.

The movie theatre mass shootings were done in gun free zones, nutjobs prefer gun free zones because nobody can shoot back, the majority of these nutjobs shoot themselves when a good guy with a gun turns up.

There are many cities in the USA which have lower homicide rates than Australia despite the fact everyone is armed to the hilt with AR15's and pistols,like Plano Texas.
This guy tells all the facts hoplophobes ignore.

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Reply #132 - Sep 11^th, 2015 at 7:29pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 7:21pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 7:12pm:

And you are wrong: guns have only one purpose. To kill.

They make rubber bullets which don't kill, they have tranquilizer guns that don't kill, nobody had died from a paintball or bb gun.

A few high profile crims like Fahdi Ibrahim and Zervas were shot more than 6 times and lived, guns only kill when they hit something vital.

A friend asked me what category a Net Gun would be in Australia, single shot powered by C02, I reckon Category A with air rifles which have never killed anyone.

Please be serious. How many americans would go to Kmart to buy a gun and only want one that shoots rubber bullets. That would give them the surpreme disadvantage of turning up to a gunfight armed with something that looks like a gun, but which isnt. They'd be better off unarmed where at least they are not a perceived threat.

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Reply #133 - Sep 11^th, 2015 at 7:31pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 7:28pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 7:04pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 6:55pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 6:35pm:

And we are back in Redneck Wonderland.

If a lunatic goes into a school to kill kids what is the difference if he is armed with a brick or a gun? Since I can't trust you with coming up with the answer on your own I will provide it. With the gun we are talking perhaps as many as 50. With a brick, probably one, maybe two, possibly none.

Intent is the same - murderous rage. That we cannot easily stop. But we can stop them having weapons to increase the body count.

The rednecks are not the probem, the black firearm homicide is 7 times higher than white people, blacks are 13% of he population and account for over 50% of all homcides.
Gangsta rap is a bigger problem than rednecks.

Schools have been gun free zones since the 1980's,all the mass shooting tend to happen in gun free zones they never happen at NRA conventions or gun shows where people walk around armed.

The worst mass murderers in NSW,QLD and VIC lit fires to kill their innocent victims, they have a higher bodycounts than our second worst mass shooting.

That is supremely illogical. Mass shootings in schools do not occur because schools are gun-free zones. They occur because everywhere else IS a gun zone. This whole debate occurs because a woman was shot. There are many cities in the USA (gun central) where a single night without a gun death is considered a rarity and in some has not happened in decades.

The oddest thing is the notion that somehow, gun deaths are not related to guns, a bit like how car deaths are not in any way related to cars.

The movie theatre mass shootings were done in gun free zones, nutjobs prefer gun free zones because nobody can shoot back, the majority of these nutjobs shoot themselves when a good guy with a gun turns up.

There are many cities in the USA which have lower homicide rates than Australia despite the fact everyone is armed to the hilt with AR15's and pistols,like Plano Texas.
This guy tells all the facts hoplophobes ignore.

And yet 50,000 people die annually from guns. Is that not the stat which essentially debunks your point of how 'safe' guns are?

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Reply #134 - Sep 11^th, 2015 at 7:32pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 7:27pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 7:00pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 6:27pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 5:59pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 5:00pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 4:42pm:

And you are all idiots...Guns do NOT cause any problems....the people who 'own' guns may cause issues...but that has NOTHING to do with the actual gun itself...

Technically true, but it is also true that the presence and existence of a gun makes violent death more likely. The gun is not an innocent factor is all of this.

It is the presence of a violent lunatic that is the problem, not the gun.

Of the two women killed by violent lunatics this week, one was with a gun and the other was with a brick, the only consistency was the violent POS.

And in at least one case the woman was turned away by police who couldn't be f...ked helping her.

Guns are nothing more than a bullsh1t excuse by a cowardly little fascist peice of sh1t john howard to use as a distraction.

He had an AVO in force against him which means he did not have a licence for his unregistered pistol.
Like Bryant this guy did not have a firearm licence.
The law failed to protect this woman with an AVO along with gun laws.

Guns were not the only thing taken from people,mace,pepper srays and stun guns are illegal.

Our laws have disarmed the weaker members of society from having lethal or non lethal self defence weapons.

A woman was slashed with a machete,another was run off the road and bashed to death, we had a shooting with an unlicensed person with an unregistered gun.

There are seriously disturbed people who prey on women, this is not something new it has been happening throughout human history, the government taking self defence weapons from women was despicable

What makes you think these weapons (your words) cannot be used offensively? If they can be used offensively then they are just weapons. Why do you think body armour is banned? Surely that is the ultimate defensive protection? Answer: because it can allow criminals to be better protected from law enforcement.

The issue is not one of guns or pepper spray but of violence itself. More weapons is never a solution to... weapons. It only starts an escalation.

If you have been reading the news crims have used machetes,lumps of steel after running people off the road and illegal guns.
If a crim has a machete or gun do you think they will bother carrying mace,pepper sprays or stun guns.

Body armour is a bit of a strawman,nobody is asking for body armour to be legalised yet nothing stops the idiocy from hoplophobes like you.

Body armour doesn't work against most hunting rifles, if you look at the specs it stops .22's ,shotguns and most pistols,it does not stop low powered centrefire rifles let alone high powered ones.

VERY few criminals ever employ a machete or gun.

Meanwhile the NRA or its like tells everyone how weapons are not the problem.

If guns are not the problem, then why are people not allowed to carry military grade large caliber weaponry around with them?

2 women were attacked with machetes and gun in the last week,not the first and will not be the last.

Perhaps if the USA enforced it's laws better on felons not being allowed to have guns crime would drop, no point bringing in new laws when old ones aren't being enforced.

People are allowed to carry around semi auto 50BMG in the USA, there has never been a crime done with a 50BMG.

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