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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 13 th, 2015 at 8:43pm: mariacostel wrote on Sep 12 th, 2015 at 4:21pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 12 th, 2015 at 2:40pm: Now - I'm off to work soon - I'll leave you to consider the ISSUES raised about what does and does not constitute violence against the individual, and perhaps to consider how best to approach these in a non-violent way so as to not exacerbate them......
Parting shot - the current thrust - and it is exactly such based on changes in 'DV LAW' in the United States - to draconian measures against any man complained of, such as immediate imprisonment etc to 'preserve the peace' .... will inevitably result in a doubling of killings, and will spread this wildfire to others, including police and magistrates, and politicians who support this form of State sponsored violence etc. At that point a true war will have begun - so I say it is time to back down from this game of brinkmanship BEFORE we get to that point, and many more people die. Complete garbage. Then do your best to explain precisely how it is garbage... I know you can't. Oh - I wish Longie would come back - he could mathematise it for us into something it never was, is or will be.... Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 12 th, 2015 at 2:40pm: .......Parting shot - the current thrust - and it is exactly such based on changes in 'DV LAW' in the United States - to draconian measures against any man complained of, such as immediate imprisonment etc to 'preserve the peace' .... will inevitably result in a doubling of killings, and will spread this wildfire to others, including police and magistrates, and politicians who support this form of State sponsored violence etc. At that point a true war will have begun - so I say it is time to back down from this game of brinkmanship BEFORE we get to that point, and many more people die. From what I've been told, in the USA there was a time when calls would go into Police Emergency 911 stating that there was a domestic dispute taking place ........ the cops would be dispatched & upon arriving would first usually question the alleged complaining party. Then they would examine both parties, then all parties. All the while both main parties usually attempted to blame the other for instigating any violence.
After all was said & done the police usually come to a conclusion, indicating one of the parties as the obvious aggressor. In most cases, but not all cases, this was the male.
It is never a viable defense for physical violence to say "...she/he verbally provoked me with his/her incessant verbal taunts...". The cops will never side with that.
So, as I see it, in those days they would usually start dragging off the male, when out of the blue, low & behold, more so than not, the female sobbingly recants & effectively drops all complaints of any violent abuse.
The police would have no legal choice but to release the male, now being caressed by the once complaining recanting abused female.
Now, unless they had other charges to place on the male, & even though they usually knew he was at fault, & even though they usually knew soon after they were to drive off, the male most probably would be going to bash the lovin' bejisis out of her again, but legally they would have to leave with nothing else to be done because the complaint was withdrawn by the female, & all appeared peaceful.
As mentioned above, the male might just proceed to bash her mercilessly sometime after the cops leave, but this time instead of just badly injuring her, maybe this time he ends up killing her.
Now, the world comes down on the cops for not doing anything on the original call(s), & the cops throw up their hands, & claim rightfully so, that their hands were tied, the law was emphatic, the complaint was dropped, & by law they had to leave empty handed regardless of what they may have thought might happen.
So the legislature passed laws that now specifies that regardless of a recant, regardless of complaints being dropped, when they are called out on a Domestic Violence call, & if they ascertain that there was truly a case of domestic violence, somebody must be taken to jail, they must leave with one or the other....the male or the female....they couldn't leave empty handed as before, regardless of who might have second thoughts, etc...
Most of the time they cart off the male, & based on evidence, rightfully so.
But, if they determine the female was the aggressor, & maybe she struck the first blows, & maybe she violently incited the male, the female will be carted off to jail just the same, to be held for a hearing by a judge to make an ultimate decision.
This, even though it has been proven it can probably save lives, this new law can unfortunately be abused, & it has been. Nothings ever perfect.
Who ever has the most convincing story....who ever is the best "actor", can sometimes dupe the cops, & the wrong party is carted off.
One thing that the legislation does do is it always provides both parties a sort of cooling off period ...... where the parties are always separated as per the law, & in some cases that alone defuses the situation well enough to stem further violence, but sometimes not. Sometimes, but rarely, this preventive action actually exacerbates underlying problems. 
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